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Davemart: I think the reference to biofuels may address your concern. I know some will argue that crops should be used for food, but bio can help us transition.
The time is right as really clean alternatives are coming available. Five years ago, not so much.
DaveD: Only the kind of people who read this blog will pay attention. As you say, the rest will deny the facts or remain ignorant.
It is already too late. We need to find ways to take CO2 out of the atmosphere.
Change in behavior may depend on overall system capability. If I can take an autonomous taxi, BEV or not, from home to the light rail, then from light rail to work, and back, I might pay the $.16 per mile. But I don't think I will be quick to change to an autonomous taxi for the full trip. My personal vehicle, expensive as it is, seems more convenient. Also, I don't see the direct costs of my vehicle every day, where I do for the taxi. I think this "visible" charge is one reason many people do not change to public transportation. They just are not aware of the cost of driving.
Yes, the Republicans don't want the government investing, but they are happy to let industry profit from basic research that government paid for. Democrats, on the other hand, want government to pay for it all and then give it away.
And the cost of protecting the oil shipping lanes, not to mention oil wars.
I always assumed that ocean currents were impacted by climate, not the other way around. Observations seem a little weak without at least a hypothetical cause for the change.
BW: And much track near wind and solar installations could benefit from nearby electric generation. That would simply add stretches of electified line. And/or, the railroads could install renewable generation along rural right-of-way.
HarveyD, Why penalize small car purchasers. They can probably use the incentives more than large car buyers. And that speed adoption. I do agree with your concept, though.
Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die. Migrating Monarch butterfly populations have dropped 90%, honeybees are dying like flies (pun intended), seas are rising and fish are dying. FUBAR
@mahonj I was probably not very clear. Not only will many elderly need the lower cost, but some of them will fear getting in a taxi driven by a stranger, particularly an Uber type operation. But they may be fine with riding a car that drives itself, after they try it once or twice.
And I hope Hendrik is correct. Not only do the economics of self-driving vehicles look good, but the societal benefits for an aging population argue for self-driving taxi's -- safe, secure, and they won't drive through the front of the building.
From what I am reading about India in both solar and wind, they may be less dependent on oil than the US in the near future. China's leaders may be doing everything they can to grow the economy, but they are not foolish enough to build that economy on dependence on the Middle East for the long-term.
That will only happen if the crop of current politicians who want the US to control the world will let go when we no longer need middle east oil. I think South America will free itself of energy dependence before we do.
I am surprised no one bothered to look at the current prices. Gold and platinum are selling at about the same price right now -- Gold $1193, and Platinum $1139. So I guess the real issue is how much is used.
Do you really think drones will be more fuel efficient delivery vehicles than driverless trucks?
I know this is the GreenCARcongress website, but Yoatman and others seem to totally dismiss the broader applications of fuel cells, including home heating and electric production, grid balancing of renewables, etc. Why does one technology have to be judged as the WINNER and for one purpose only?
HaveyD: Not so. Most fuel cell vehicles will be plug in hybrids, so the majority of miles, particularly city, will be on battery. Far fewer FC distribution posts will be needed than the current gas pumps.
DM: something could be done about what? I forgot the subject.
If this is a mandate for new vehicles, why not start now, or as soon as regs are promulgated? Then the fleets would be 50% (or more) by 2025. Let's get serious.
Harvey is right. I have solar and pay ~$10 per month connect charge with net metering. I get a small check each year for the excess electricity produced. I have no objection to that connect fee. If it went to $50, that might be different.
I have no expertise, but I would think going off the grid would not be good for most individuals or our overall economy. However, I can see the development of many microgrids, connected by national lines (HVDC) to balance loads and use renewable resources. In 15 years, most homes and buildings will have fuel cells for that winter heat while they produce more electricity. The grid will be needed to manage it all and the fee is just a cost of doing business -- like road taxes.
I continue to be fascinated by the either/or debates in these threads. As technology develops markets will change, but I suspect there will be a place for both BEV and FCEV. The real game changer for fuel cells will be in-home use, where it can heat the house and generate electricity to charge the PHEV in winter. Distributed energy and new storage schemes will change our world, we just don't yet know how.