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2watt., what the fuh are you saying?? Speedo shots?? How much of a phag do you need to be to know what that is?
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Darkoak, if this is true, then how nice of the Dolphins to cut him early so he can catch on elsewhere. The last time the Dolphins were this nice was last year so Dan Carpenter could catch on somewhere - with another division opponent. So he can kick game winning FGS against us. Nice guys us Dolphins ...
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Same here NeMo. I have no idea why you cut an Egnew and keep a Brackett for example. Your 4th TE isn't going to play anyway.
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Maybe you just don't realize how physically gifted Michael Egnew is. It wasn't a slight on Dion Sims.
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f4l, that wouldn't surprise me at all. Beli has made a career of stressing the one or two good skills a guy may have. Unfortunately Egnew needed to be multi dimensional to really see the field too much because we have a glut of inside receivers and Clay is a better receiver and does other things better. Don't know why he couldn't stick as a3rd TE though. Not like he's costing money.
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Posted by: Mark in Toronto | August 22, 2014 at 02:32 PM I respectfully beg to differ. CONSEQUENCE = NO PLAYOFFS It's TOTALLITY on which a GM must be judged. Can't commend him for the exact same things he destroyed. It's like winning money at Vegas, then staying and giving it all back. At end of day what was won is null. When you leave your pockets are still empty. Just like our playoff stock and 1 winning season, 1 8-8 under Ireland. Our records under Ireland can not even be considered "BREAKING EVEN", if it were Vegas. At the end of the day, winning is all that truly matters. Under which in Ireland the Miami Dolphins grotesquely failed to do. Even the parts of the test he passed, he back tracked to flunk. End of story. Posted by: Still/Wade/County | August 22, 2014 at 02:59 PM Obviously you don't understand the difference between saying someone can draft and someone is a good GM so there's no point continuing this debate. Until you realize drafting is not the only thing a GM does but one of several, there is nothing to be gained from further discourse. Also if you don't understand accumulating 18 starting players from 6 drafts as being an excellent haul in terms of volume, also no point discussing his drafting exploits either. I'm not going to argue on Ireland not being an adequate Gm overall (I said the same myself) but that doesn't mean that everything he did was bad.
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Thanks rdubs for the scoop. Well he's getting picked up by someone. Unfortunately he let the less talented Dion Sims beat him out here. Shame on Egnew.
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Darkoak, the former Premier of the Province of Ontario Dalton McGuinty got $4m when he quit. then people wonder why I don't vote. f4l, very true but also must realize that in his 5 years here he had to draft players for two different offenses and two different defenses. So at times a lot of his player looked miscast when it's impossible to turn over an entire starting 22 in two years seamlessly. However different with Jordan. I stink Ireland though he was getting Demarcus Ware when indeed he was getting something completely different.
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ETF, are you Mando's source? (Cuban born custodian)
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Also, ETF, Ireland did some consulting work for the Seattle Seahawks so he gets to double dip. Life is good for Ireland on the money side.
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SWC, whether those guys are starters on our team or not is not of consequence. When assessing starting players, you simply as, did this guy draft starting caliber talent or not. If you want to see whether they are on our team or not, that speaks to roster management, not drafting. Drafting = finding Keeping and paying = roster management Fact is this guy has drafted no fewer than 18 nfl starters since 2008 and that is a clip most GMS would be proud of. If anything it provides ammo that Ireland is an awesome scout but not GM.
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Yes I did f4l, just funny that we thought the same thing..
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And f4l, to make it even more confusing, both Pat and Paul came out of the same school (Weber State) in the same year (2006). Same initials, same school, same year... yeah leads to confusion. Just that one was a guard, the other a tackle.
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f4l, i've made the same mistake but the McQuistan that played for Seattle is the brother of the McQuistan we had here. The one we had here still sucks.
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MassD, also remember the team for some reason signed a DC that made their two starting CBs completely disposable. You don;t think the coach would've hired a DC with a scheme to fit his personnel - especially when you have a top ten defense already. Instead he hired Coyle, had to revamp the entire defense for no reason and now we have the 21st ranked defense.
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MassD, never said he was a top 10 gm, said he was top ten in drafting. being a GM is a lot more than drafting. Drafting is probably more like 10-20% of what a gm does. There's deciding who to pay There's deciding who to get in free agency There's deciding who to keep early in their careers. IN these areas, Ireland stunk and that where he lost his job. He also took way too long to find a viable posibility. To go four years on the job before taking a guy who may be a franchise Qb is a travesty. But acquiring almost 4 starters per draft - that's very good drafting. Your perception would look a lot different of his job if he had a top 15 Qb to go with that top 10 defense. Even that 2008 team loked pretty goo although it was the worst Dolphins defense they had until last year. At any rate, ireland dug his own grave primarily through the Qb position and only added to it by doing things like giving away Davis and not paying jake Long, etc. You're right he was a failure as a GM overall but I will always defend his returns on his draft picks (QB position aside). Compare what he did to what Dave Wannstedt did for example ... there was a span near when he got fired that only TWO draft picks were on the roster (McMichael and Chambers). And that was after like 6 years of drafting.
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THED, saying you can find value later is a lot different than saying those top 5 picks didn't turn out. there were 11, 2 did not work out, just flops. the 2013 to say they were awful is a gross exageration as all of them were starters and two of three are already promoted to LTs from RTs in their first season. The grade on those three guys is so far incomplete. Kalil 1 pro bowl in two years The next worse is Ferguson with 3 pro bowls Long 4 Williams and Thomas may be headed to the hall of fame. To me that is working out.
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And the strongest guy on the team is Olivier Vernon and it's not even close. Turner may be the strongest lineman but don't have any power guys on that unit. Fede is promising but our DE unit is stacked. he has lots to learn but he shows the flashes that makes you realize that it's only a matter of time. I always said that the 5th and 7th rd picks were my favourite parts of the draft so you don;t need to convince me on either Fede or Tripp but they are still too raw. Late picks aren't instant starters except for the one in 1000 that was the glorious Zach Thomas.
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McCain was a DE in college and by Omar's account (when he is blabbering about rap albums he's pretty accurate) says mCCain looks better rushing the passer. His niche role is probably as a situational pass rusher like Lorenzo Brommell was back in the day. So on the Dolphins they have an OLB they are trying to make a DE and a DE they are trying to make an OLB and a DE/OLB they are trying to make an ILB. Then people wonder why I rag on Coyle so much.
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THED, thus that's why CB is a core position. Every is always looking for a good one and nobody ever has enough. it's football equivalent of pitching depth. 2013 draft still early but Fisher, joeckel and Johnson seem to be doing ok so far. 2012 - Matt Kalil is an animal 2011 - none 2010 - Trent Williams is awesome 2009 - jason Smith is awful 2008 - Jake Long only health prevented him from being a future HOFer 2007 - Joe Thomas is a machine . Levi brown was solid but unspectacular but still starter material. 2006 - D'Brickashaw Ferguson panned out 2005 - none 2004 - Robert Gallery sucks. So my tally says 2 busts, 4 reliable starters (3 of which are very early in their careers and there may be further upside there), 5 multiple pro bowl type left tackles. So by my count in the last ten drafts that played in the league - your odds are higher of finding a perennial pro bowler than it is of even finding a solid starter and it's even rarer to find a bust. So I'm not sure how 2 busts out of 11 equals rarely panning out.
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Couldn't they have used both Vontae and Grimes as their Cbs? There's not rule against it. Trading Vontae for a #2 was just stupid. No wonder Indy did it so fast. How many CBs ever drafted in the 2nd round were as good as Vontae or better. Only two I can think of are Richard Sherman and Anterraun Verner. Doesn't happen often. It was a poor return. I understand the staff wanting to make a stand but getting rid of him was stupid. SF had similar issues with his older brother but he eventually got himself right to realize that massive potential. Vontae still has underperformed in his career but he's a very good player and even bigger talent still.
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FT, I love being a fan too but Fede does not start McCain, even on the weakest LB corps in the league does not start right now Turner even on the weakest guard combo in the league can't start right now Landry is our 5th best WR right now James yeah, hopefully he can start. Those other guys may become valuable contributors but 3rd rd picks, 7th picks and UFAs and on are not instant starters.
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THED, I'm sorry but you should re-evaulate your definition of a core player. CBs for example are drafted more than any other player - escpecially early. LTs in the first five rerely pan out? Since when?
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My god, what I would do for some Dolphins analysis by a so called "insider". I have one here at the herald who apparently is semi-retired and one at the SS who blabbering on about Nicki Manaj or some worthless ccrap to that effect. Barry Jackson's buzz today was actually quite good. Can we trade Mando for Barry?
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Ireland drafted plenty of core players. he just took too long to settle the Qb position. Two of his core players are still starting for other teams on big money contracts.
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