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Poizen, I used to have the same problem ... but what I do is just rank the all time great dolphins now and buy them in descending order... can't lose.... my next purchase will be a Paul Warfield jersey... never goes out of style!
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That's true DC, you yanks butcher the mother tongue!
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Just keep in mind DC that Landry was graded out as a 2nd rd pick coming out of school, Egnew a 4th. All things being equal, a 2nd rd player is supposed to be better than a 4th rd player. When I talk about athleticism and the physical tools mattering, it is to differentiate between players of a similar draft grade. When I say I like Egnew it is not in comparison to Landry but to other 4th rd graded TEs like Joel Dreesen or even Charles Clay. When i say I don't like Landry it is in comparison to other 2nd rd rated WRs like the aforementioned Donte Moncrief, Jordan Matthews, etc... there were actually a lot of really good looking 2nd rd WRs this year...
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ETf, i don't think it's alarming. he is doing what he was signed for ... I think the only serious challenger would have been Billy Turner but how many first time starters you want on that line. Colledge is the obvious pick in this scenario. 2nd half of the year, maybe Turner is good to go although I wish thy would breed him to be the LT stand in instead of a guard. We will need a third tackle at some point this year - if it's a LEFT, we r screwed if Turner can't at least play a game or two.
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Poizen, some guys are just exceptions. One guy who tested similar to Landry and had the same 2nd rd draft grade is Mario Manningham. Maybe Landry could be just as good?
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And I don't have it in for Landry ... his selection just is banking on hoping for an exception instead of following a trend which if you stick to it will generate much more positive results over the long haul. There are always exceptions though, and I hope Landry is one. The WR I would've selected in those regions of the draft is Donte Moncrief. He went to Indy in the 3rd. let's see who has a better career. I hope it's Landry.
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Craig, QB is one position I never really judge by athleticism ... I mean the two things matter for playing QB, having good football instincts and how well you can throw a ball. The testing done at the combine does none of these things. I leave judging QBs strictly up to the professionals. There isn't a lot of room for advanced analytics and measureables here. it's an eye test. personally I think the guy is a dikk and chokes. He was though by all accounts a first round talent at the posiiton. If we were a QB needy team, I would have definitely advocated for him at 19. I don't think we are in that spot yet but could be in 2015, who knows? You know my #1 rule of drafting... if you are on the board and you don't have a Qb, you take the #1 rd rated qb if there is one on the board. It's why I like Jax's pick even though a lot of people didn't. Houston perhaps should've taken a QB instead of Clowney too but I think any GM not taking Clowney considering the media driven hype around the guy was asking to lose his job. But Manziel should not have gone later than 7 or 8 in my opinion (TB or Cle who ended up with him anyway - maybe got lucky there)
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ETF, Daryn Colledge was a 2nd rd pick with very good atheltic skill set (yes I always comment on that) who had 124 starts in this league for some very good teams (including a super bowl winner). The concern with him is age (32). Dolphins are banking that he can hold it together for one season. Similar gambles have backfired with Clabo and Colombo. I would have perferred a Satele signing due to age but to see Colledge starting over Brenner or a small school rookie in Pouncey's absence shouldn't alarm anyone.
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DC, let's not start this again. It's an argument you will lose. I've compiled ten years of draft data and I have conclusive proof that given similar draft grades, the more athletic player will be the better football player as measured by games started and pro bowl seasons. Now that's not say that is always the case as there are supremely athletic first round picks that busted out (Vernon Gholston) but the general trend does point that way.
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PA, a lot of guys had better combine #s than Ebron. He was one of these guys that was a bit overhyped in my estimation. People trumped him up to be Vernon Davis but his measureables compare much more favourably to Brandon Pettigrew than VD. if he turns into petttigrew, it's still a solid add but he is no Vernon Davis and Pettigrew was already on the Lions anyway. I don't expect stardom for Egnew but I think he's very comparable in draft status and measureables to Joel Dreesen who is a very solid NFL player (probably a bit better than Dresseen who had 50 starts in his career for some verygood teams).
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DC, Egnew is just so gifted physically though for a TE. If the guy was a few inches taller, he'd be playing in the NBA. I know a good part of the game takes place between the ears though and it's not all physical. That's what the Dolphins have been waiting on. It's what I've been waiting on since I've taken my share of heat for declaring for this guy. 3rd rd picks are 3rd rd picks for a reason, they aren't ready to step in. Sometimes they get it after a while and sometimes they don't get it at all. let's see what happens but I do know that Egnew has skills you can't teach and that's important. I think he's more phsyically talented than Clay and should be able to perform as such if he wants it/gets it.
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Griese, Tannehill is an accurate passer over the middle of the field. he needs some big tough guys to be successful. With guys like Clay, Gibson, Matthews even yes my non favourite selection Landry can help him out over the middle and throw Egnew, Sims, and Lynch in there - whoever is ready to contribute - it will loosen the coverage on Hartline/Wallace and give Tannehill a bigger cushion on the outside/deep routes.
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I also like Jimmy Wilson. Keeps opposing players honest.
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Home, Egnew was always my most puzzling player on the Dolphins since he was successfull at a big college and has all the physical attributes. Maybe the mental part is coming together for him. Hopefully.
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TE friendly offense. Read somewhere it's the same offense Egnew had at Mizzou. If he doesn't show something in this camp, it's over. personally, I think he will.
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* hasn't instead of has
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Marc, the bottom line is they were ALL NFL starters last year. You see the Qb position is not exactly filled with world beaters out there. So even though Tannehill has cemented himself, he is still better than a lot who are starters. And I see Tannehill completed one of three long balls. If he can keep up that rate to the regular season in game conditions... that would actually be above league average. A lot more concerned about the QB C exchanges. If both deficiencies improve, that would certainly help.
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And he was better than these three starters too.. Kellen Clemens, QB Geno Smith, QB Terrelle Pryor, QB
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marc, what twisting? Wins, yards, tds ... td:int ratio, in none of those is he bottom third. I have no emotional attachment to the guy whatsoever. I think personally, he is about 18th best. Not bad enough to lose your job in year two but not good enough to call up his agent and get on working on a long term deal and still keeping an eye on the top guys going into this year's draft. As far as saying he isn't bottom third, last year he was better than ... Robert Griffin III, QB Colin Kaepernick, QB Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB Joe Flacco, QB Matt Schaub, QB Chad Henne, QB Jason Campbell, QB Mike Glennon, QB Matt Cassel, QB Eli Manning, QB EJ Manuel, QB Christian Ponder, QB You can make a case (although I won't agree taht kaep was better) but other than that he was clearly better than the #19-32 on that list. So definitely not a bottom third qb.
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Marc, just because you type "period" at the end of a rant doesn't make it true. And there is tangible proof for what you just said.
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YO, DC, NeMo!! Yeah, it's the perfect role for Jordan and everyone sees it except the jabrone running the team. DC, provisional starter at C is apparently Brenner... I think Shelley Smith is next in line after that from what I read.
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BINGO cocoa! Exactly what I'm getting at. It's nto natural for Dion to put on 20 lbs of muscle at his age given his body type. You knwo this, coaches know this, so like Texas says, why not put the ultra talented kid in a position to use his skill set (that's for you Not Fooled) instead of asking him to be something he's not. This whole scenario more than any other shows me Philbin et al don't have what it takes at this level.
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Really? Skill set is common venacular in all ways of life. I have a particular skill set for my job. Jordan was a long, fluid, rangy DE/OLB hybrid who excelled in coverage and had strong pass rushing skills in college. That's his skill set. Didn't need ESPN to teach me that... heck I don't even have ESPN here in Toronto. Perhaps it was jsut you who needed to watch ESPN to learn what skill set means?
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hey lay off my boy, rdubs. Also found that Sam tested positive for extremely high levels of natural proteins....
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Yeah Texas, I mean this guy comes into the league as a guy who can cover with the best of them and has pash rush skills to boot and in typical Dolphins fashion, they complain that he was so so against the run and actually showed that he was respectable in that capacity so because there is no room at DE, they sit him. Only in Miami, I say. I'm with you, put him in a position to succeed, don't harp on the things that are not his strength. Derrick Thomas and Lawrence Taylor could never play the run but yet they are in the Hall of Fame.
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