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dude. get a clue. atlanta is universally and almost unanimously considered the worst professional sports town in the entire united states by professional sports writers. it is also always the top entry on every 'worst sports town' list. and in case your homerific sensibilities are offended here are some cold hard facts: Atlanta Pro Sports Attendance: MLB: 15th out of 30 teams NFL: 17th out of 32 teams NBA: 21st out of 30 teams NHL: 28th out of 30 teams Atlanta Metro Area Population: 8th largest in the United States. That is what we call in the business pathetic underachievement!! Yeah, you keep dreaming that you don't suck as a pro sports town and that you will be getting an MLS franchise.
first of all you started by calling me a moron for blasting two cities i did not blast, in fact i complemented one of them. secondly you have no idea what you are talking about. attendance is the number one factor in favour of montreal. the owner is kind of a douchebag and has rubbed MLS the wrong way on a number of occasions and they would still bend over backwards to get his team i the MLS. thirdly, some cold hard facts: USL attendance for 2008 (the last season that included ATL): Montreal 12695 / 13034 97% capacity Portland 8568 / 19566 44% Seattle 3386* / 3700 92% Atlanta 2281 / 4500 51% Miami 1701 / 7000 24% *Seattle averaged 10,000 for USL games played at Quest Field Atlanta and Miami and other South Eastern cities will NOT get an expansion team in the MLS. Not now. Not in the next 5 years. Not in the next 10 years. MLS wills top at 20 and no city in the south east has any proven track record of fan support for soccer (or in the case of atlanta and miami much of any other sports, both cities are notorious for pathetic attendance for their professional sports teams even when they are playoff calibre). If you live in a city in the South East or anywhere else and you want an MLS team you have only one choice ... get an USL team, average 7K-10K fans for a couple of years and then the MLS will pay attention to you. otherwise quit whinging, pick a distant MLS franchise, buy a jersey and watch on TV or move to a city that doesn't suck in a part of the country that isn't chock-a-block with uncultured ignorami.
i do have my facts straight you f**cktard. please point out where i ripped either Toronto or Seattle. i actually used Seattle as an example of what the MLS needs more of. learn to read, i was suggesting that cities like Montreal AND Seattle AND Toronto are GOOD places for expansion teams and places in the South East are NOT. did you skip the reading comprehension part of 3rd grade?
well when your friends live in cities with USL-1 teams that draw an average of 12,000 fans over a season then I am sure MLS will consider them for expansion ... oh, wait yeah ... the SE and FL teams in the USL average less than 3,000 ... so yeah, get a clue ... the SE won't get a team until they prove they can support a team with assess in seats and until then I say that Montreal is a great addition to the MLS ... any city that can do more of a Seattle thing than a San Jose thing is good for the MLS.
uh, yeah in the same way my right hand is on par with Eva Green. that was just utter nonsense. seriously dude, huffing paint is dangerous for you help. Here is a link where you can get some much needed help: http://youthdevelopment.suite101.com/article.cfm/huffing_and_teens
No. No pro/rel in or out of the MLS-1 so to speak. You pony up the money for MLS-1 franchise you stay in, unless you cry uncle and "self-relegate". As for who would come up in such a case it would be like any other expansion. I see it like this: MLS-1 (20 Teams): Single Table, 8 team playoffs (home/home for all rounds but the final). Starting in 2012 the teams would be Chicago, Columbus, DC, KC, NE, NYRB, Philly, Toronto, Chivas, Colorado, Dallas, Houston, LA, Salt Lake, San Jose, Seattle, Portland, Vancouver, Montreal, St Louis. Everyone would have a SSS w/ 18K+ by then except NE and Seattle (which has a fine set up anyway). MLS-2/MLS-2 would be made up of 20 teams each, to include a reserve side for each MLS-1 team. The 2011 season would include the 20 non reserve teams playing for 10 spots in MLS-2 and the 20 MLS-1 reserve teams playing for another 10 spots in MLS-2. The bottom 10 teams in each would be placed in MLS-3. There would be pro/rel between the 2 leagues, maybe 2 teams a season. And self-relegation for financial difficulties with promotion based on the next team in the standings. Each league is single table. Using guesstimates and rough logic it would look something like this for the 2012 season: MLS-2 (20 teams/10 MLS-1 reserve teams): Miami FC, Minnesota Thunder, Rochester Rhinos, TB Rowdies, Atlanta Silverbacks, Carolina RH, PR Islanders, Austin Aztex, FCNY, Ottawa FC, Chicago B, Columbus B, DC United B, NE Rev B, Toronto FC B, Chivas B, Houston B, LA Galaxy B, Seattle B, Salt Lake B MLS-3 (20 teams/10 MLS-1 reserve teams): Charleston Battery, Richmond Kickers, Charlotte Eagles, Harrisburg Cty Islanders, Pitt Riverhounds, Maryland Mon, West Mass Pioneers, Cleveland City Stars, CP Baltimore, Wilmington Hammerheads, KC Wiz B, NYRB B, Philly B, Colorado B, FC Dallas B, San Jose B, Portland B, Vancouver B, Montreal B, St. Louis B Obviously some of the teams that ended up in MLS-3 are teams that recently disbanded (Wilmington) or moved to PDL but if not them then i am sure some other teams could repalace them in the mix and would owing to being smaller end up probably in the MLS-3. It was just a rough idea with the most recent USL/NASL teams so you get the picture.
i really like the way this guy thinks. MLS as the top league and then MLS2 and MLS3 made up of MLS Reserve sides and current NASL/USL sides. The only promotion/relegation is between MLS2 and MLS3 and the classification for each to start with is done on the pitch. you might even set up the playoffs so that the top 6 teams from a single table MLS make it and 2 top MLS2 teams make it. That would really spice things up and motivate A. the MLS teams to not suck and B. the MLS2 teams to "bring it" i also like that this allows for one unified soccer league structure and even the possibility that if the MLS starts to loosen up on the reigns of the successful clubs a bit (sea/tor and probably phil/van/port) to spend a bit more and field a better product it will leave a place for any small market or struggling team to "self-relegate" if they find they would rather make modest money as a MLS2 side than lose money, fans and respect getting thrashed in MLS. Plus it gives the MLS a running experiment test lab for new MLS teams. This is so perfect I think that it must surely come to pass. Oh, wait ... this is american soccer so anything that makes remote sense is usually ignored.
man. aston villa just got hosed ... they outplayed liverpool for 90 minutes and have one guy slip and get one bad ricochet and torres kills them ... as a man utd fan i really wanted to see a tie or more scouser misery, but i have to hand it to torres ... that guy is good. i'd take him to pair with wayne any day.
wow. off in the 55th minute? ouch. and man, villa totally looks like the better team in the second half. much more like a "big 4" side than does liverfail even with the winter wonderland conditions. the big boys better come raiding villa park for these players soon or aston villa is going to be a force to contend with for the foreseeable future.
A. i have to think that not only is the Hull team around Jozy poor, i cannot imagine that the coaching is the best nor do they really have the motivation, had they the coaching talent, to really invest in honing his talent as he is only a loan player right? B. how great is watching football in the snow ... totally awesome!
i would just like to point out that he is still on 20. i have to say i cannot help but think that signing with MLS at 14 and getting drafted and trying to play with men at such a young age was disastrous for his career. if ryan giggs cannot do it than freddy adu couldn't. i understand that the mls is no premier league but a 14 year old boy (and still to this day a smallish player) simply had no shot at properly developing by throwing him into the line of fire with full grown men, whatever their skill level. having said that he would have been so much better off having been signed by manchester united and joining thier youth ranks. would he have turned into a world beater or united starter? who knows, but being around other super talented players his age with the best coaching on the planet would have not only helped his game but also his attitude. he would not have been the 'golden boy' but rather one of a number of talented players and would have learned that you only get what you earn in the game of soccer. plus with mentors like scholes and giggs who are of a similar build and technical skill and who also knew the perils/pressures of being a teenage phenom would have done tremendous help. shoulda woulda coulda. but trying to start an mls career at 14 was definitely the problem. how much of the blame lies with mls for trying to desperately clutch at a 14 year old straw and how much lies with his family for allowing such a thing i really couldn't say. i hope he goes to a place with good coaching and mentoring that can help him reach whatever potential he has. whatever that may be at this point.
Please tell me i did not just see our national team deliriously celebrating like they just won $10M from Publishers Clearinghouse for managing to scrape out a draw .... with Costa Rica ... at HOME!!! How about a little "Whew! We really avoided abject humiliation. Glad we played hard and salvaged the barest scrapings of respectability against a foe, at home, we should clearly dominate. We are thankful but certainly have nothing to celebrate like 16 year old schoolgirls."
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the league doesn't need landon donovan. it needs a higher minimum salary, it needs a reserves league, it needs better academies at every club, it needs a higher (but still reaonable) salary cap, it needs more franchises as well run as Seattle ... I could go on ... but what it does NOT need is any ONE player ... be that Beckham or Landon Donovan Donovan is wussing out, whatever the explanation or excuses, he doesn't have the guts to test and prove himself at the highest level on a day in and day out basis ... I am sure he will still be the best outfield player for the USMNT but to be one of the greatest players in the world you have to do more on the club level than be the best player in the 25th best league in the world.
Toggle Commented Dec 16, 2009 on Donovan pens new MLS contract at Soccer By Ives
if landon signs a new deal with la he offically and eternally becomes landycakes ... a wuss who is too scared to be anything other than a big fish in a small (very small) pond. the hope is the mls will be a great place for late blooming american talents to grow and hopefully prepare for the jump to big time soccer in europe and also of course be an entertaining domestic product ... but mls will NEVER be a place for the best ameican talent to compete with the best in the world. as i have said before the ultimate goal for the USMNT should be to have a pool of 30+ players who are all regular starters/stars at top 75 European clubs. when a player like dempsey is no longer the exception but the rule the USMNT will be something more than an also ran but until then if our best players like Donovan are too scared to try and compete with the best on a daily basis then there is little hope for the USMNT to cement its place as a top 10 world team.
Toggle Commented Dec 16, 2009 on Donovan pens new MLS contract at Soccer By Ives
the league doesn't need landon donovan. it needs a higher minimum salary, it needs a reserves league, it needs better academies at every club, it needs a higher (but still reaonable) salary cap, it needs more franchises as well run as Seattle ... I could go on ... but what it does NOT need is any ONE player ... be that Beckham or Landon Donovan Donovan is wussing out, whatever the explanation or excuses, he doesn't have the guts to test and prove himself at the highest level on a day in and day out basis ... I am sure he will still be the best outfield player for the USMNT but to be one of the greatest players in the world you have to do more on the club level than be the best player in the 25th best league in the world.
Toggle Commented Dec 16, 2009 on The Wednesday Kickoff at Soccer By Ives
if landon signs a new deal with la he offically and eternally becomes landycakes ... a wuss who is too scared to be anything other than a big fish in a small (very small) pond. the hope is the mls will be a great place for late blooming american talents to grow and hopefully prepare for the jump to big time soccer in europe and also of course be an entertaining domestic product ... but mls will NEVER be a place for the best ameican talent to compete with the best in the world. as i have said before the ultimate goal for the USMNT should be to have a pool of 30+ players who are all regular starters/stars at top 75 European clubs. when a player like dempsey is no longer the exception but the rule the USMNT will be something more than an also ran but until then if our best players like Donovan are too scared to try and compete with the best on a daily basis then there is little hope for the USMNT to cement its place as a top 10 world team.
Toggle Commented Dec 16, 2009 on The Wednesday Kickoff at Soccer By Ives
it is this simple. if you want the usmnt to be mediocre than feel free to hope that the most talented US players stay and ply their trade in the world's minor league of soccer the MLS. if you want the usmnt to one day compete as a true top 10 nation in world soccer than you need to realize that will only be true when the ENTIRE roster of usmnt players are plying their trade as regular starters or stars at clubs of the Fulham level or higher. can the mls teams (and hopefully a strong academy programme and reserve league) be a good place for that young B+ talent that doesn't get the chance to go straight to a european team's academy as a youngster. yes, that is the hope. ideally should any of the 50 players in the usmnt player pool be plying their trade in MLS no. it would be like if spain, england, italy, etc had player in their team pools that plied their trade in FA League One or Serie C.
the answer to this is simple. in brazil and spain and even england kids who are 5 years old play pick up soccer all day every day and learn alot of instincts this way. at a young age it is important to A. always have a ball at your feet and B. do a lot of 'learning' organically ... fostering an innate since of creativity and 'soccer iq' until recently soccer in the us has either been A. a way to entertain 22 kids fairly easily, parents coaching kids running round and playing kick ball B. the 'talented' kids at 'elite' programmes that focused on winning before development ... which means when they need to be learning to learn for themselves they are put into strict tactical programmes (often run by less than knowledgable people) in order to WIN youth tourneys etc. the same applies to college (tho at that age it is pretty clear a player should be learning tactics etc, and probably in a professional setting not with half a team of chumps).
Firstly, I am not crying ... I couldn't give a rat piss less about college soccer, and I went to a decent soccer power ... I am simply pointing out that the OVERALL level of college soccer ... if these semi-finals are any example ... is pretty tragic. If this is the "best of the best" that is a sad statement. And if you learned to read carefully my point was not that there was no talent in college soccer but rather that the talent that is intermittently dispersed throughout college soccer would be better served spending their 16-20 years playing in the professional game. A few will do so in Europe and gain accordingly but the whole point in having a domestic league is so that a greater number of young talented players can play professionally and not waste their time in the college game. The MLS needs to do more than 'rescue' a handful of college age kids each year thru GA who then often do not get to play. They need a reserve league and the ability to spend more for larger squads and get more kids with the talent into the professional game. And for the record I watch just as much soccer as you do Ives and tonight's game was pathetic from a team/tactical standpoint. The passing and possession was wretched. If I was kicking my TV it was because the only worse soccer I have seen on TV is the WPS. (And the Man Utd reserve games come thru quite nicely via my subscription to MUTV Online.) (SBI-Jacopo, nobody's disagreeing with you (I've written enough times that MLS teams need to hurry up and establish real academies). I just don't see the point of you coming on here with so much anger. Relax man, you'll live longer. Blaming the college game for the state of player development in the USA is like blaming supermarkets for poor people not having food to eat. Your venom is a bit misguided. The college game has plenty of flaws, but it serves a purpose, and fills a void, and there are plenty of players who have benefited from it. And Jacopo, I can read just fine, the problem is your point was buried in all your mock outrage. If you had a point, which you apparently did, it got lost in your angry translation. And while the Wake-UVA game wasn't beautiful, it wasn't nearly as awful as you're saying it was. You can choose to disagree.)
i was watching a game that didn't have more than 3 passes strung together and turned over the ball over constantly. and the point is these kids are the same age (or older) than the man utd reserves (almost everyone who plays regularly for Ole's reserve side is under 22 and most under 20). My whole point is how is the US supposed to excel at soccer if so many of these "talented" kids that the MLS is dying to get their hands on in 5 weeks (Opara, Bone, Etc) are playing at such a frightful level of soccer instead of playing a more professional level ... the MLS definitely needs a reserve league if this is the best college soccer has to offer. (SBI-Jacobo, if you don't think Wake strung more than three passes together multiple times then you weren't really watching. Perhaps you were too busy kicking your television because you couldn't watch a Man U reserve game instead. The college game has its flaws, but still manages to produce some players. Last time I checked, folks in England seem to think well of the likes of Clint Dempsey and Brad Friedel. I will agree with you that MLS teams need to step it up and get academies going, but crying about what the college game isn't is a rather pointless exercise.)
(SBI-Jacobo, watch the language. Nobody said you had to like college soccer, but you don't have to get vulgar about it.)
I must admit I do not usually watch college soccer ... and after suffering thru this abysmal Wake vs UVA game I now know why ... Seriously this is the level of US soccer at the 18-22 age level? No wonder we suck. I do watch the Man Utd reserves play regularly and I can confidently say that the Red Devil reserves would rip either of the teams I saw in this game a new a@@hole. I hope that there are a few talented kids on these teams that once with better players can show more than they did tonight and developmentally catch up from whatever they are not getting at American University programmes.
the problem with this deal that doesn't make sense is that the "upside" sucks for one or both of the teams. if landycakes ends up sucking, no problem ... everton dump him back to the rec league of MLS and LA gets its star back a bit tarnished but he is still better than any two chumps on their roster combined. BUT. If Mandon plays good/great then either A. Everton will have to send him back to LA right when they are going to need him the most or B. LA lets him stay (hahahahaha yeah right) and is without the only truly quality player they have (that isn't 109 years old with the haircut of an 14 year old nonce). Landon needs to man up and demand the MLS let him go permanently play in a real league or admit he is comfortable being the 'big fish' in the 'small pond' so we can write him off as a footballing great.
that Leeds v United match is going to be mayhem at OT. years of history and bad blood have not been forgotten during Leeds exile to the nether regions of football. We better watch out for Grella the Assassin! ;)
well actually. without the GK and that relic Silvestre the average is 19.333. with fabianski it is still only 19.8 of course if you throw in the Man Utd reject it jumps up to 20.9 for the whole line up. but again it was meant to be sarcastic hyperbole ...