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Actually Will I find it a lot more extreme out here. I grew up in Mitchell, went to USD, and even campaigned for Daschle in the Chamberlain region. With the exception of a group of families in Stickney praying for me and liberal activist judges to die it was fairly safe. True story by the way, the kicker is they were Methodists, and Methodism as a faith is Pro-Choice. And Kid I would say Liberals have a similar mindset to Conservatives as far as the gathering in angst. They call it a Tea Party, we call it a Rock Concert. Ours is cooler.
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Charge MORE for smoking? Man Travis smokes already cost enough. Are you trying to bill them to death before lung cancer, blood pressure, and heart disease all associated to smoking gets them? I'm kidding of course. I'm all about personal choice, but with choice comes accountability for those choices. Would you be in favor of a mandatory drug test before insuring and have different rates for what comes up?
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Actually Corey I have it on my facebook on one of my older notes just after it happened I say check it out there since it has a nice thread of comments from various class of 2000 legal minds such as Jeff Nath and Matt Amon.
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You know Chirry I think its a fine tradition to ignore bias aggressive attacks you pretend aren't motivated by anger and hate! But No, I disagreed with that and went on to say why its a rallying point for education not a political maneauver, and that's something he should do. Was that too subtle? If encouraging kids to take personal responsibility is a "political maneuver" then perhaps the Right should step up their game a notch when it comes to education. Clearly the Bush administration went out of their way to mess up the system with legislation perhaps simply encouraging kids will have a better effect. So I'll reiterate my point: Quit your crying, students need to be addressed.
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Well Ty I think you're missing the boat here. You're right Christian Values aren't a monopoly. Especially after working on the Campaign for Healthy Families all the nastiest cruelest people we came across were "Christians." I use quotations because my Bible says to love thy neighbor, not to spead hate and threats of violence in His Name. The two points to this was first and foremost to ask people to look past the flashy prayers of the people on the campaign trails and look at what they would actually do. The second was a way to gauge how to work your faith into your politics. A person of true faith can never really take it out of any part of their lives, but we can't use it imperialistically. Look at the examples I gave. Instead of using "Christian Values" to declare who can marry, what prayers are said in school and so on which would be limiting, use our faith as a call to action to help those in need by Health Care, poverty relief, and so on in an enabling way. Finally I don't know if you recall Ty, but I'm Methodist, and yes this agenda is supported by my Church.
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So you're saying the President isn't a rallying icon for our country? And the right calls us Un-American. How convenient a stance to take now we have a Democrat in office. I don't recall any protests to all the elementary schools Bush visited, mostly because he was trying to instill a sense of nationalism not partisanship. Obama's doing the same now, the main difference being he's better at getting the message out than those in the past. As far as the left having easier messaging than the right, how I wish that were true! You have all these fun little emotion filled terms to simplify the debate and subvert reasoning. Socialist, infanticide, Terrorist, and so on. True a kid might not understand your full plat form but you’ll scare the holy hell out of him. Hasn’t that been the Republican strategy for the past 8 years? Sometimes we need to let children be proud of our country. The special attention he's giving the youth will have a rallying affect on their academics. Before you try to accuse me of hypocrisy Thune came to one of the many activities/school functions my nephew attends and he was thrilled he got to meet a Senator. He even got a picture with him that we let him keep up for as long as the rest of my family could stomach it. A few weeks later after the excitement was over my sister tried to explain a few keys points as to why we don’t agree with him. What good does demonizing him to your children do? It teaches the core family value of hating what’s different to your kids. I’ll put $10 down that says he sticks to his published talking points from the white house website, and if he does what side honestly has a beef with the President, our nation’s leader, telling kids to hold themselves responsible for getting the most out of their education? So seriously, just this ONE time could the right stop their divisive hateful antics and just let kids take a moment to be proud of their country?
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Care to explain how it degrades the family? Honestly it sounds like a conservative excuse to blame something else for their family falling apart instead of taking personal responsibility. If you expect the Government to step in and teach your family its core values then you have sadly failed in your roll. There are so many shady characters on both sides of the party lines I wouldn't want them teaching morality to the young in my family. I'll do that myself thanks. It is however the Governments responsibility to create equality to all the various groups in this country. Keep in mind 50 years ago this same "degrades the family" excuse was applied to desegregation and women voting.
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I'd have to disagree. I don't always see eye to eye with Steph so there's always grumbling, but when push comes to shove she's beloved in this state by both parties. Hell she pulled in nearly 70% of the vote last year. "Landslide" is not a description for that "Brutal ass whooping" is far more accurate. We're a progressive party, and Herseth Sandlin does a great job of representing that progress: she shares the core values of the majority of South Dakotans and moves us forward. Its not like another Pelosi could win in a state like SD after all. (I'm not even sure I'd vote for her!)
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Oh I agree Chirry the author didn't really argue the point strongly. But at the same time the argument that being accepting of homosexual marriage degrades the family is pretty ridiculous in itself. I'm just waiting for the studies to come out saying divorce sky rockets in Iowa because gay couples are getting married. Even better they blame the Meth problem in Massachusetts to homosexual coupling. Now I'm not married and my life is far from perfect, but honestly I can't blame that on my lesbian former roommate (however she does get more girls than I do), or one of my closest friends here in Rapid being Gay, and a gay Republican at that! I didn't realize you people let homosexuals into your little club.
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I have to say I disagree with the author on several accounts. First of all Obama was very clear that he supported civil unions but not necessarily gay marriage. He made no promises on that account. However I think he is still an ally to this cause. His election has embolden a lot of liberal causes. Just look at how many states have legalized gay marriage since he's been elected compared to the number during the Bush years. Electing Obama has symbolicly shown us we can make a difference in the various causes we believe in, and we obviously have. Second of all this economic crisis/health care battle has been a bit time consuming. I am 100% behind civil liberties, but a country on the brink of catastrophy and ensuring 100 million people can recieve health care when they need it sort of trumps marriage equality. Finally I don't think we need to wait for Obama to fix the messes he's currently dealing with. We need to focus on the state level and work our way up. Also court cases need to be filed. In South Dakota we have an amendment stating we don't have to recognize gay marriages provided by other states. Since marriage is a conract in the eyes the government doesn't that mean its inviolation of the "Full Faith and Measure" clause of the first article of the US Constitution?
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So he's spending money to try to cover up the fact that he was ok with the Government spending money... At what point does he start acting like a fiscal conservative instead of talking like one? Lets be honest here he's opposed to spending money on ideas that his party didn't come up with. And they sure did a fine job of maintaining our economy the past 8 years didn't they?
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I'm sorry I will correct myself 100% of the late term and partial birth abortions of viable fetuses were in defense of life and health of the mother. There were several done each year for non viable fetuses. Perhaps its a new contention for debate but I think its just plain cruel to force a woman to give birth to a dead child. I thought this would be universally accepted but there was heated debate over non viables during the campaign.
Toggle Commented Aug 31, 2009 on John Thune is Pro-Choice at Badlands Blue
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Hold on did you even read the statistics from the link you posted? All the statistics say 0 partial birth abortions happened in Kansas after 2003. That would be in large part because they are banned on the federal level. If you actaully read the stuff all of the statistics for Partial Birth Abortions were either to "Prevent patient's death" or "Prevent substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function" 100% of them were for one of those two things. Now if you look at the late term abortions that happened again 100% of them were for one of those two reasons. Taken directly from Thune's website "I have consistently supported a ban on abortion with the exceptions of rape, incest, and when the mother's life is in danger." Finally the only legal way to have a late term abortion in Kansas was for life or health of the mother. So yes, Senator Thune would support abortions under those circumstances. Did a quick wiki of terms of debate here. "Infanticide is the practice of someone intentionally causing the death of an infant." "It (Infant) is typically applied to children between the ages of 1 month and 12 months . However, definitions vary between birth and 3 years of age." Apparently biology wasn't your strong point, the term infanticide has no application to the argument. Fetucide, Embryacide possibly, but infanticide not at all. The whole intent of using phrases like that are to insight a hateful disgust towards not only the people who have abortions, but people who rationally see the consequences of banning abortion and choose to defend that right. Since I don't have an uterus I clearly can't have an abortion, I don't have a medical degree so I can't perform an abortion, but still I've been called a baby killer. If you ban abortion women go underground with it and that's just plane dangerous. I will be of the first people to admit there are too many abortions in this country but you and I disagree on how we can impact that. I don't think waving grotesque signs and accusing women of infanticide is working out to well for us here. Perhaps compassion and support is a better route than these accusations you're currently using. By the way I'm still trying to wrap my brain around Hitler's rise to power and persecution of the Jews as "non emotional." You're right he dehumanized them, but he did so using messages of hate. We can come together on this issue and move forward or the Pro-Life movement can keep doing what its always done: lose campaigns, fail to convince the supreme court, fight educations programs that work...
Toggle Commented Aug 31, 2009 on John Thune is Pro-Choice at Badlands Blue
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Its true and that's one of the catches of a Republic. I'm not knocking it, this works by far the best the world has seen to date, but your right Miranda. Most of these town halls are the politician trying to convince the constituency of their choice instead of the other way around.
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There was a moments hesitation there where you could tell he knew he messed up. There was a sigh, an internal debate, and then just stampeded on in hopes no one would notice. woopsies.
Toggle Commented Aug 30, 2009 on Glenn Beck is smrt at Badlands Blue
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Wow Bob aren't you just a bundle of sunshine! Of course with your perspective the two sides are irreconcilable. Perhaps if you read into it a bit more you'd realize the bill does not ban private insurance but offers a public one to those who don't already have one. Its a far cry less socialist than say our police departments, fire departments, or even farming with how heavily subsidized its become. "very small percentage of people who actually lack insurance" Sanders? 45 Mil who have none, 25 mil who are under insured, and another 53 mil on Medicaid which is inconsistant and full of stipulations. Do the math and that's 123 million people who are in need of something better. I wouldn't call that a small pecentage. Fred, hate to correct you... actually that's a lie its a pleasure, but Herseth Sandlin has come out talking about health care. http://www.argusleader.com/article/20090812/NEWS/908120312/1003/BUSINESS Unfortunately I don't share her views. She doensn't support the current bill. At the very least she's an independent thinker unlike Thune who's a yes man to a failing party.
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Moral equivalent huh? Interesting how the right clings to family values then spew hate and irrational terms like "Infanticide" out there to cause emotional reaction instead of rational discourse. With such extreme messages of hate no wonder unstable individuals are pushed over the edge and we have tragedies like Dr. Tiller happen. By the way all the late term abortions Dr. Tiller did were all in defense of the woman's Health and Life, a stance Senator Thune agrees with. So you're telling me that you're content with the broken system Thune's fighting for? What kind of compromise is needed here since all I'm hearing is stubborn opposition. By the way Thune has been open about social conservatism taking a back seat to finances. If this is your key voting issue you might want to find somebody willing to support it.
Toggle Commented Aug 30, 2009 on John Thune is Pro-Choice at Badlands Blue
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Wow, using the second Treatise to justify the pro-life stance. That's sort of funny "Children, I confess, are not born in this full state of equality, though they are born to it. Their parents have a sort of rule and jurisdiction over them, when they come into the world, and for some time after" The problem with most of the Pro-Life arguments I hear (and yes I've heard a LOT of them) is they always take things out of context and misquote them. My personal favorite was the commercial where they quote a psalms about the all knowing nature of God to mean people don't have the political right of choice. Chirry I think its you who aren't quite grasping the point. Senator Thune is quite against choice in social and religious issues. He wants to dictate who my church can marry and what sort of reproductive planning my family makes. Frankly it sounds like the second amendment is Thune's only concern and ignores the first and the fourteenth entirely. Besides effective health care and propper social support are known to decrease the number of abortions. Glad to know your ideals are so solid... that is until you get scared they might adversely affect your bank account.
Toggle Commented Aug 29, 2009 on John Thune is Pro-Choice at Badlands Blue
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Good job you got the Unruh's talking points! Let me tell you it worked well for them the past two election cycles didn't it? Well more than Democratically decided its also constitutionally decided. Reguardless on where you think the rights reside in this argument women who feel the need to have an abortion do so because they are scared and in need of help. Perhaps you could come down from your pulpit and see that assistance is needed and then we can work together to solve the problem. Abortion is just a symptom of a deeper sickness and providing health care to those who think they can't afford a pregnancy would be a great start. So if you honestly want to stop abortions from happening perhaps you should take action instead of quoting political spin that obviously failed you.
Toggle Commented Aug 29, 2009 on John Thune is Pro-Choice at Badlands Blue
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http://www.webmd.com/medicare/news/20080826/45-point-7-million-in-us-lack-health-insurance Here’s an interesting article for you. Notice how it distinguishes between uninsured and underinsured bringing the number up to about 70 million with questionable coverage. Also it talks about how people on Medicaid are considered insured and that’s by no means stable ground to be on so tag another 53 mil on top of that number and you’re at over 100 million people in the US who are up fairly well screwed if anything goes awry on the health front. “It can take years to get routine medical procedures in Canada” Really? How odd since this PDF file from the Canadian Institute for Health Information http://secure.cihi.ca/cihiweb/products/WaitTimesReport_06_e.pdf says wait time comparable with the US for routine care (with in 6%) Right off in the introduction it says only 1 in 10 Canadians go without seeking treatment when needed and only 32% of the 1 in 10 say it was due to waiting times. It also says this number is comparable to INSURED Americans. “Never really heard of any of these problems in the US” Are you kidding me? There’ve been times in my life I haven’t had insurance and I couldn’t go anywhere for routine medical assistance no matter which border I try to hop. In fact at one point when I lacked insurance I broke my arm and spent several hours filling out forms and had to come up with $500 cash up front before I’d even be seen. Granted the wait might have taken less time had I not broke my dominant hand. It took me a bit longer than usually to fill them out legibly going lefty. My favorite part of the experience was when the nurse asked me if I had a concussion and I informed her it was her job to figure that out.
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Well that all depends on how you see the governments roll in healthcare. By giving a public OPTION, as in an alternative, choice, or possibility. I don't see how that's taking away from choice. Infact its providing a choice. Strange how that gets skewed and twisted. You want to know what I like? Democracy. Its awesome! Democratically we've decided here in South Dakota a woman does have a right to make decisions concerning her own body. Trying to pretend an "unborn child" has rights seperate from that of the mother is just down right un-Democratic (not to mention unborn child is biologically inacurate)
Toggle Commented Aug 28, 2009 on John Thune is Pro-Choice at Badlands Blue
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Good call Cory. Minutes after typing this up I caught the news on Kelo talking about them putting it on hold. Its not often I get to say "The Bush Administration did something right"
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