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Hi Jen, Don't tell me you want to hear only the card-carrying Church-of-the-Churchless choir here.. The Fake News media will decry the lack of diversity, the coverage blackout, how a deep-state un-churched cabal jerks the levers of power to suppress religious freedom. Besides, how would you test your mettle save in the thrum of bible thumpers... how would you bring the light of Holy Science to the credulous religious masses yearning to be free? Would you abandon these lost souls to roast in their eternal fantasies? And yes, this mission, should you choose to accept it, will allow you to vent a little. Not too excess. Just enough to soothe an un-churched psyche. To bathe for a moment in scientific righteousness . And to rest in assurance that the erring masses will see the logic and come to the light. Amen and bless us all.
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If its all just consciousness that we merge back into, a tiny little drop merging into the ocean, then its no big deal. Also, the journey back, why would it be uncharted land when we're going back to where we came from? I like Ishwar Puri's anecdote about his childhood when told he could visualize himself as "soul drop" just going on a journey and finally merging back into the ocean. "Terrible" he thought. "I lose what little bit of identity I have and what's the ocean gain with one more drop. So it's lose-lose". At some point, he realized that you don't go on a "journey" at all because you never left the ocean in the first place. Only your diminished awareness has reduced you to think you're a "drop".
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If its all just consciousness that we merge back into, a tiny little drop merging into the ocean, then its no big deal. Also, the journey back, why would it be uncharted land when we're going back to where we came from? I like Ishwar Puri's anecdote about his childhood when told he could visualize himself as "soul drop" just going on a journey and finally merging back into the ocean. "Terrible" he thought. "I lose what little bit of identity I have and what's the ocean gain with one more drop. So it's lose-lose". At some point, he realized that you don't go on a "journey" at all because you never left the ocean in the first place. Only your diminished awareness has reduced you to think you're a "drop".
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So why the insistence of having a guru? Is it fear that we need protection or is it some kind of perverted ego thing that we are not good enough or powerful enough and so we need to worship another? Great Master offers a interesting answer to a similar question in "Call of the Great Master": Q: "Is it not a sign of weakness, or rather of cowardice, to seek the help of a Guru? One must fight his own battles." A: You are welcome to undertake the journey alonne; but, those who have seen the difficulties of the way hold a different view. In our worldly wars don't we seek the help of others? We cannot move a single step inside without the help of a guide. You may call him Guru or, if you don't like that word, call him friend or even servant. ...
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"I am wondering if you see many differences from his teachings from Charan and Gurinder’s, considering all 3 of them are Disciples of Sawan Singh." Here's a short audio tape of Ishwar speaking about Jagat and Charan Singh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQB3QqeI9Xk
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Are you a Radhasoami Initiate? Yes, Long time initiate of Charan Singh. Have you read “ Spiritual Gems” Yes
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@Jim, He said he no longer meditates and has done enough meditation in his life. He mentions 5 minute meditations when he tells his listeners that love and devotion replaces meditation. Do you buy that? Hi Jim, Ishwar's said meditation, in its initial stages, is for the mind. But only love and devotion pull you up. Even simran is discarded at some point. I believe other RSSB masters echo that exactly. BTW, Gurinder is a disciple of Charan Singh :) @777, Saying that thoughts give karma , which is terrible and false He's explained that every thought and intention initiates a karmic chain however minor.
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@Jim I apologize if you felt I smeared you as a racist. However, the gratuitous mention of Jews in citing Lane's site and then again in remarking on Blatsky in the next sentence were reminiscent of racist tropes. To me anyway... I respect your desire to see the real identities of posters too. But after a career in software and seeing the scale of data mining and assaults on privacy, I choose to remain anonymous. As I mentioned, I think the words we use and attitudes we reveal in our posts speak for themselves.
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Testing 4/10/2018....
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Dungeness, why are you posting your comment 2 and even 3 times, gotta get your compute r fixed Why do you assume it's my computer... no, I'm only posting it once. It may be browser related so I'm ditching Chrome temporarily. Typepad however should fix its "feature" wherever the blame falls. It'd be easy to digitally digest posts and toss out duplicates.
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But, if you really want to acuse me of Racism,.....than you first need to come out f yoyr dungen, reveal who you really are, and why you are concerned about what I think, than we can openly communicate before this Open Church Jury. Other wise, stay hidden in your dungeon Sure, you can say anything you like in Open Thread. That includes challenging an overt appearance of racism. And no, I don't need to reveal my name. It's not important. By your actions, you shall know them.
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Also, the Core posters at Lane’s RSS site were Jews, mostly Sant Mat Exers who were Atheists, and this Lady , as HPB , was not shy about exposing her feelings about how the U.S. Govt. was under the Jurisdiction of Jews. Sorry, Jim, I don't want to start a polemic, but these statements bother me. How can someone speak definitively about the background of posters on Lane's site? And why would they repeat such a racist meme? Further, what is the basis for those assertions about HPM? The Theosophical Society compelling debunks their substance: https://blavatskytheosophy.com/responding-to-lies-about-h-p-blavatsky/
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Also, the Core posters at Lane’s RSS site were Jews, mostly Sant Mat Exers who were Atheists, and this Lady , as HPB , was not shy about exposing her feelings about how the U.S. Govt. was under the Jurisdiction of Jews. I am curious about about the perception of Jewish influence by HPB. In my experience this is typical of racist memes so I'm very surprised to see it mentioned here.
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Hi Manjit, I corrected the "WW2" mis-reporting way up-thread after researching the official Faqir Chand website. As I mentioned, the genesis of my error was Ishwar Puri's talk in which Ishwar mistakenly identifies this incident as occurring in WW2 rather than 1919. Further, I provided no context about Faqir Chand's status but Ishwar's remarks certainly led me to believe he had great regard for him and that made him a possible, maybe even probable, PLM in my book. For some reason I thought everyone "in these here parts" was likely to already know his "rep". So I didn't mention it. My bad. Therefore any misapprehension about F.C.'s status by Spencer or others would be totally understandable in my opinion. I don't think any further apology is warranted.
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Hi Manjit, I corrected the "WW2" mis-reporting way up-thread after researching the official Faqir Chand website. As I mentioned, the genesis of my error was Ishwar Puri's talk in which Ishwar mistakenly identifies this incident as occurring in WW2 rather than 1919. Further, I provided no context about Faqir Chand's status but Ishwar's remarks certainly led me to believe he had great regard for him and that made him a possible, maybe even probable, PLM in my book. For some reason I thought everyone "in these here parts" was likely to already know his "rep". So I didn't mention it. My bad. Therefore any misapprehension about F.C.'s status by Spencer or others would be totally understandable in my opinion. I don't think any further apology is warranted.
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So I still would like to hear Ishwar's take on this event, and even any mention at all about Faqir. If one part of he story was wrong? What about the rest? Did Ishwar ever mention anything like this about Faqir? Whew, sidestepping a few bits of flying shrapnel, I found Ishwar's mention of Faqir Chand in the transcripts: http://ishanews.org/ishalibrary/english/ # 40 Devotion is the Response to Love # 81 Illusion or Reality Ishwar relates he knew Faqir Chand personally. Perhaps he mis-heard Faqir say WW2. Or, was it all planned to generate a kerfuffle :) That makes me wonder if even advanced mystics feign emotion for some deliberate effect. I can only guess that might be part of the reason. Otherwise, they wouldn't be relatable as human. What if Faqir Chand hadn't confided his own fear... but admitted it was his grace or sermonized about remembering the inner Master if in peril. The latter seems incomprehensible.
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I emailed Ishwar's org in case they know Meanwhile, here's the basis of the story from Faqir Chand's autobiography: https://sites.google.com/site/babafaqirchandsliterature/autobiography-of-baba-faqit-chand P.S. Search for "Iraq" on that page. That's where the incident occurred. post WW1. (not WW2 as I reported).
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It was one of his U-tube talks... I emailed Ishwar's org in case they know.
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Can you provide a link or source for the Iswar Puri story you shared above? Hi Spence, It was one of his U-tube talks. Very memorable but of course became elusive when I started looking for it :) He's repeated the story more than once as I recall. I'll keep searching...
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Too bad there aruru Chaplains going in to battle giving Sat Sang to the soldiers! Ishwar Puri relates an interesting incident about three of Faqir Chand's disciples in WW2. Surrounded by the enemy and fearing imminent death, they held a mini-satsang. Suddenly Faqir Chand appeared beside them and directed them to an escape route. After escaping, they thanked Faquir Chand who was also a soldier. He responded that he knew nothing of their rescue or his miraculous intervention and confided he was shaking with fear himself because of the bombing. He went on to clarify we project the power within us and externalize it. At no time are we separate from the master within.
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Would they be dead-ends spiritually, like the soul-less Golem, or might they also be able to access the divine lights and sounds, and access to the Anami region? Seriously, I doubt an AI armed robot could do that. Just my intuition though. On the other hand maybe a master mystic could decide to play a joke. He might animate a being with a computer head on a Schwarzenegger body who says "I'm sorry Dave..." for example. Those who are already floating around on inner soul levels would probably "see" right through it though :)
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Would they be dead-ends spiritually, like the soul-less Golem, or might they also be able to access the divine lights and sounds, and access to the Anami region? Seriously, I doubt an AI armed robot could do that. Just my intuition though. On the other hand maybe a master mystic could decide to play a joke. He might animate a being with a computer head on a Schwarzenegger body who says "I'm sorry Dave..." for example. Those who are already floating around on inner soul levels would probably "see" right through it though :)
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Would they be dead-ends spiritually, like the soul-less Golem, or might they also be able to access the divine lights and sounds, and access to the Anami region? "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that".
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*** my opinion iis to place an armed security person in each school like the one in Mayland where an armed guard put an end to a shooting spree. We live in violent times. Good people need to be armed, not disarmed. *** Then you'll live in doubt and fear wherever you go. P1: Oops, did you forgot the Glock, honey? P2: [Sigh] P1: Turn around, we'll have to skip tonight. Workplace, theatre, concert, parade, Little League, poker game, coven, seance, unchurch get-togethers.... Where does it end? If you roll the dice and don't pack, can you be sure everyone else showing up armed is a good guy/gal? Even if it's just a dozen or so, what if a fire-fight breaks out with several white hats returning fire, where can you possibly be safe in a cross-fire? Who's gonna identify the black hats? Who'd wanna live in a society where that level of fear and paranoia exist? And all because a minority hides behind rhetoric about a slippery slope to take away their 2nd amendment rights.
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WW2 happened because a whole nation was looking for someone to blame. And obviously it was the Jews fault. Right? Everyone knew that. Whatever was wrong, blame the Jews. Very few had the strength to say "I need to help. This is wrong, but a worse wrong would be to go along with it. And not to help. I must help no matter the cost. Even if everyone around is to afraid, angry, hateful to behave like human beings instead of animals. Even if the price of my humanity is my life. I've wondered often about this. There were many who did resist of course. Somehow, I think everyone did have the strength to say "I need to help" too. Just not the self-awareness to look inside and ask for help finding it. Only the ignorant fantasize they, Rambo-like, can summon up courage whenever they need it. It doesn't matter how church-y or non-churchy you are. inwardness and mindfulness will qlways be needed. It's the true path of courage.
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