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Wow, this joint really took a nosedive in the last year. Seems every SF around here really has been riding the bandwagon. It's too bad. The Sox have a nice nucleus for the future. Shrug. I knew it wasn't my fault. But it's always nice when reality affirms the obvious. Hell, Paul SF gave up too? That dude liked to shine shit (i.e., JD Drew) and call it gold.
Toggle Commented Oct 6, 2010 on Post Time at YFSF
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Guys - I'll be at the Sunday game! Let me buy you a beer for being a pain in your arses! And kreug, we can meet up with Jack Herr. IH you're invited too of course but for some reason I don't think you and Jack would get along.
Toggle Commented Jul 15, 2010 on All-Star Gamer Thread at YFSF
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What I love about listening to Boston sports radio is really understanding how many homers run rampant here. Atheose, when was the last time you said an honest thing about your team? Hell, 98.5 was killing Ortiz all day for his "baserunning" even as you said there was nothing he could have done. Not only was it obvious that ball was going to fall, Marlon Byrd did a frickin' pirouette before he threw to second. Seriously though, when’s the last time you criticized any Sock living or dead? dw - Not enough PAs? How about: 2008 - vs. RHP: .279/.389/.532 = .921 (370 PA) vs. LHP: .221/.308/.433 = .741 (121 PA) Or : 2009 - vs. RHP: .250/.346/.481 = .828 (439 PA) vs. LHP: .212/.298/.418 = .716 (188 PA) The plain fact is: Ortiz is finished as a full-time player. The writing isn't just on the wall. It's spray painted on the Green Monstah. Besides his base running, talki radio is killing him for "peacocking" after the homerun show and laughing at his expectation of an extension. Matsui is exactly the right comparison, except he hit all pitchers last year and once had some defensive value. If I really wanted to troll, I'd point out the widely discussed rumors that he's juicing again. But I don't believe that. Instead, I think he's cheating on the fastball. He can turn around on less than stellar ones if he starts his swing early. But he loses that advantage against southpaws because he sees less of the ball from them and he can’t do anything big with off-speed stuff. Sure, enough that's exactly what seems to be happening. The fastball is the only thing he's doing anything with: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=745&position=DH#pitchvalues And his HRs off of the fastball are the highest they've been since 2006: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=745&position=DH#battedball But he's also seeing more fastballs since 2004: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=745&position=DH#pitchtype That's not surprising. Earlier in the season when I saw him from third base, he was sloooow against Hughes' good but not great heater. The report got out on his slow bat enough that it became the topic here. Now teams will adjust. He's going to get a steadier stream of off-speed stuff. Watch the games, not the boxscores. And protection will do Papi as much good as it did my parents. Granderson needs to sit against LHP until he starts creaming RHP. He needs to get his timing right. "A league-average OPS+, combined with his speed, adds an entirely new dimension to the lineup that I feel is extremely valuable. And with his speed the defensive instincts can be learned and improved on." Seriously man, when's the last time you said anything negative about any Red Sock - living or dead? "Gardner has great trade value as well. Jacoby is not the future of this OF, but he is however, a good baseball player with a ton of speed that covers up his shortcomings. " And he plays the game the right way! Seriously, I can't see how Ellsbury was ever considered the better player. Their stats in the same leagues at the same times were almost identical. Perfect example where prospect guys just pull crap out of their arses. What I find really fascinating is both have learned to take advantage of their home parks – Gardner especially so. He shown he can turn on inside heat. Interesting point via Neyer’s links: Gardner has the best rate in all of baseball at making contact with pitches in the zone. Combined with his excellent eye, that a recipe for success as long as he has his legs.
Toggle Commented Jul 15, 2010 on All-Star Gamer Thread at YFSF
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> Anyway, congrats Papi. As we saw last night, the man has exactly no skills besides being able to hit RHP. Awful. And you think there's something to be celebrated? At least Matsui and Vlad can "play" the OF on occasion. You said: "Congratulations to David Ortiz for putting an exclamation point on his recent notifications that the rumors of demise have been exaggerated. " Except he'll be looking at no job this off-season, most especially because he thinks he deserves an extension. That's the exclamation point! There are delusions, and then there are delusions of grandeur. Thinking the Sox will pick up his option is a delusion. Thinking he'll get more than one year, is a delusion of grandeur ("I'm Papi!"). His "demise" is real if he can't find a job. Every single data point of recent history suggests he won't - not at his asking price. But, but, but 146 OPS+! Yup, Matsui, the best DH in all of baseball in 2009, screams hello. Okay, you win. Ortiz is back! Until he's soon gone...
Toggle Commented Jul 14, 2010 on All-Star Gamer Thread at YFSF
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"He's second in the game OPS+ as DH this year." Who's going to bet $10M+ on that going forward? When Papi doesn't get offers like that - and he wants multiple years - how is he going to respond? Giambi went one way. Sheffield went another. Matsui took a one year deal. "As for being a platoon DH?" Look at those splits above. Most middle infielders would do better. "If for whatever reason, Ortiz managed to finish the season with 35 HR and 100+ RBI's...would that be considered a down year?" That would be a fine year. Matsui was not that far off that in 2010 AND was the Serious MVP. The market still showed his value.
Toggle Commented Jul 14, 2010 on All-Star Gamer Thread at YFSF
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His demise hasn't been exaggerated if he's truly a platoon DH going forward. The stats suggest he is. There aren't many of those job available. Ergo, his demise is still very real even if it isn't an impeding DFA any longer. It's the very real possibility of no real job. Sorry, I have trouble letting facts slide by. Other Rob is engaging me on those facts. The market doesn't value what current Papi can do. If he thinks it does, he has a rude awakening awaiting him.
Toggle Commented Jul 14, 2010 on All-Star Gamer Thread at YFSF
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Logically you're right of course. But how many players have done what you're suggesting? Even a home town discount usually amounts to maybe one less year or a million or two less on the AAV. How many players have accepted a 50% cut? That would bring him in line with the market.
Toggle Commented Jul 14, 2010 on All-Star Gamer Thread at YFSF
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Ortiz said yesterday he wants an extension. Now maybe he's willing to take a drastic paycut to take $14M over 2 years, but I'll believe it when I see it. After all this Papi is back stuff, he's going to be cool with a huge pay cut?
Toggle Commented Jul 14, 2010 on All-Star Gamer Thread at YFSF
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Except now the claims of Ortiz's "comeback" have been greatly exaggerated. First the stats: vs. RHP: .292/.423/.669 = 1.092 (222 PA) vs. LHP: .192/.277/.301 = .578 (83 PA) Now, the reality: Platoon DH's just don't have many jobs available to them. Then consider both his contract situation, his recent words, and the recent trends in contracts. There is no chance the Sox pay a platoon DH $12.5 million next year. And, the further problem is he says he wants an extension. But the reality is DHs, even ones who can hit all pitchers, are lucky to be getting $7 million/year. All signs point to this being his last year in Beantown. It's a fine way for him to go out. But this ain't the same beast we grew to loathe in 2004. It also helps that the Yanks have one of the best southpaws as their ace. The Rays too. This David Ortiz is not a threat to either team and those are the only teams that matter this year for the Sox. Oh, and Hudson, Big Stein has his place in Cooperstown - warts and all. Choke on that.
Toggle Commented Jul 14, 2010 on All-Star Gamer Thread at YFSF
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Theo was just interviewed at the Futures game. He said that Buck, Hermida, and V-Mart are the first expected back after the break. Since no one else is especially serious it's looking like they'll have the most of the team back by the end of the month. Beckett is doing rehab starts. Ellsbury will start with rehab soon. Pedroia and Varitek will likely be out into August. Theo also said that they can't complain about where they are at given the performances of the guys who have filled in. Indeed, those fellas should be celebrated! So why is this place empty? It's not like the Sox are five or even ten games back of a playoff spot. They have the third best record in the league and playing in the toughest division in baseball.
Toggle Commented Jul 12, 2010 on The Voice Of God at YFSF
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I don't know how any SF can whine about the state of their team. What's not to love about guys like Nava, McDonald, Dubront, and Atchison. Isn't that what baseball is about? And even if the Sox are injured, they're two games out! So why is this place empty? Sure, it hasn't been a pitching and defense year, but it's been fun all the same. The Yankees are on a 110 win pace and I'm still not convinced a similar injury spell wouldn't send them tumbling right out of October. This is what crazy seasons are made of.
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Sour Diesel. Toasty.
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I can't help but think that the Yankee Gods intervened today. Like when the offer was available to trade Mo and Jorge for David Wells. Or when they almost let Bernie go for Albert Belle. Praise be to Jesus! (Why can't the kid play RF if he has a powerful arm?) But seriously, let's see the Sox sign Lee and Werth.
Toggle Commented Jul 10, 2010 on Cliff Lee ESPN Special Tonight? at YFSF
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A question for SFs: With all the Sox money available this off-season, why shouldn't the Sox pursue Lee? Imagine a rotation of: Lee Beckett Lester Buck Lackey Now that's pitching and defense I could believe in. Seriously, they could afford to offer Lee a $25M AAV. Why won't they?
Toggle Commented Jul 10, 2010 on Cliff Lee ESPN Special Tonight? at YFSF
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Weird instance where I'm happy either way. It does seem like Seattle got the better package, but Montero has had the more advanced bat. Career Minors: Smoak - age 23 - .293/.411/.461 = .872 Jesus - age 20 - .309/.368/.486 = .855 Moreover, the PCL is a hitter's league while Jesus had to play half his AA games in Trenton. I'm glad to have Jesus aboard. Considering the Yanks are set at every position, and there's no other starter near to Lee, I don't think he'll be moved this year. But it is tasty thinking about the arb-eligible players that could be had for him. Best news of the day? David Pauley.
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They're three games back of the Wild Card today.
Toggle Commented Jul 9, 2010 on The Yankees Are In The Emerald City! at YFSF
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And yes, I do realize Boston has had some success in the past few years...regardless of the payroll differences. There, fixed that for you. You're not understanding me otherwise. The Sox will have paid out $20 million to two players not on the team. So realistically they could compete with $150M payroll or they could have allocated that money better. Heck, between Beltre, Lowell, and Lugo ($30M) they could have easily afforded to overpay for for Tex. And I think Tex was all the difference last year between the two teams. "What exactly should the Red Sox have planned for to offset this kind of hit, man?" Now you're arguing against yourself. Given a healthy team, I see no reason they can't compete against the Yankees with Lee and Werth. Even still, with all that has happened, the Sox are three back of a playoff spot. Don't you think their payroll has something to do with that? How fair is that to the rest of the league? After all, the difference between the Sox and Yanks is smaller than the difference between the Sox and the 3rd highest payroll in the AL. You're venting, Brad. I get that. But at least be honest.
Toggle Commented Jul 9, 2010 on The Yankees Are In The Emerald City! at YFSF
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The big takeway for me on Lebron echoes Bill Simmons. He's a 1A, not a 1. A great player who somehow doesn't want to be a leader.
Toggle Commented Jul 9, 2010 on Cliff Lee ESPN Special Tonight? at YFSF
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"They're just missing too much." That's poor roster construction though. They're paying $20 million to Lugo and Lowell. Still, even with all of the injuries, they have the best offense in baseball. Montero isn't a fringe piece. But for the Yankees, he's just a bad fit and they have a better one. It hurts to lose his impact bat. But I understand the thought process.
Toggle Commented Jul 9, 2010 on The Yankees Are In The Emerald City! at YFSF
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But see, that's my point. If they can support $170M this year, why aren't they doing it every year? That includes 2004 (A-Rod), 2005 (Abreu), and 2009 (Tex). We got a BS reason (and a few tirades from Lucky Larry) for why they didn't pay a few more pennies on the dollar for those players. Now we know it was BS. You would agree that it is more expensive to run a business in NYC than in Boston, right? And for each dollar the Yankees spend above the Sox they're giving 40% back to other teams. It's hardly unfair. The other problem for your argument is the Yankees have lost to the Sox, including a Serious (2007) and a playoff spot (2008), when the payroll discrepancies were that large.
Toggle Commented Jul 9, 2010 on The Yankees Are In The Emerald City! at YFSF
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"I'm not being one" Really? " you have utterly no fucking idea what the Red Sox choose or do not choose to fucking spend money on or how much money they have. " Sure I do. Their current payroll. They can support $170M or else they wouldn't. That much is clear. Better: Do the Math. The Sox sell out every game. 40k seats x $50 average price = $200 million. And that's before national or NESN TV money. Or advertising. The Sox think they can compete and turn a hefty profit. And they do both.
Toggle Commented Jul 9, 2010 on The Yankees Are In The Emerald City! at YFSF
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" I just don't think this is a necessary move for the Yankees right now. " And yet I've suggested four reasons why it was reasonable. RAB adds a fifth: The chance the Yanks also get another piece in return. "When this happens, there is not other team that can compete as currently constructed." Keep telling yourself that. But the Sox and Rays are certainly good enough to win a series against the Yanks. They both have the pitching and offense.
Toggle Commented Jul 9, 2010 on The Yankees Are In The Emerald City! at YFSF
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Whoops, I forgot A-Rod too. How many player acquisitions have they utterly squandered because of pennies on the dollar? And we know now that they could have easily afford all of Abreu, Tex, and A-Rod. That they didn't find a way to should be your real anger.
Toggle Commented Jul 9, 2010 on The Yankees Are In The Emerald City! at YFSF
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Per Cot's, you're missing a few. "That was never about money. They asked for bullshit pieces from NY and top prospects from Boston." Ah red-colored glasses again. The Sox weren't going to take on all of his money. Ergo, the Phillies wanted better prospects. As for your tirade, I'm very happy to love a team as much as the owners do. Unfortunately for you, the Sox place their profits ahead of their winning as Tex and Abreu show.
Toggle Commented Jul 9, 2010 on The Yankees Are In The Emerald City! at YFSF
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"Again, is your ownership doing everything they can to win? If not, wouldn't that be where your anger should be directed?" Bingo.
Toggle Commented Jul 9, 2010 on The Yankees Are In The Emerald City! at YFSF
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