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George as much as I like Vokoun and what he's done for the Panthers, especially this season, I agree, we need to move him. It's proably one of the only ways to infuse talent since most free agents of real quality aren't coming here yet. As for goaltending, find a veteran free agent, give him a year or two deal until we are sure one of the young guys is ready. Offensively we have been challenged for years. It's time to fix that.
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A full blown backing up of the truck is necessary. No one is exempt. A good point was made by a fan that sits next to me and I couldn't agree more: "Some of these guys are getting tired of the losing. We should probably move as much stuff as we can. Bad attidudes are going to surface. Weiss, Horton, Stillman, Rhino, Campbell, Kreps, Olesz and even Ballard, who has been inconsistent this year can all go. Weiss is NOT a number one center. If he was as good as some people thought, he wouldn't have gone into the scoring funk he did when Horton got hurt. No reason he shouldn't have 30 or more goals. Rhino? Overpaid third line center playing on the second line. Will barely get 40 points. Terrible signing, and even worse expectaions. These guys arre all losing, and not producing like the orgainization thought they would. Move on. Take some chances. Problem is we don't have the right GM to do that. Unless we hire a new one on April 12th or at some point before the draft, it's going to be a disappointing summer.
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The Habs at least have some talent. But like most JM coached playoff teams, it will be a short lived playoff run!
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Vokoun is not going to Philly. Why would they give up a 25 year old forward for a 33-34 year old goaltender. Chicago makes more sense but we'd have to take Huet back in that deal. The hawks have no room unless that happens. Plus they are not giving up #1 and # 2 picks. Versteeg maybe, but honestly we don't want him. If we think that most of our guys here don't have hockey sense, Versteeg has none himself and his play is sometimes maddening!
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As much as I like Vokoun, he deserves to go someplace else where he'll have a better defence in front of him. A draft day deal or before is likely. Is Weiss a number one center? NO. (Too frail) Is Horton a top line forward? NO (second line) What happens with Matthias? He's really an unknown, but he's been playing slightly better, but not much more than a number three center. We cannot build around Weiss and Horton. We need better players and if the opportunity to trade them comes, do it. I don't think however that a)Sexton will and B) he's not the person to rebuild this team. Rhino and Stillman can be moved as well. There's alot of deadwood here. I've been saying this for awhile: Culture Change!
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Boys, a few comments here. Yes, Keenan was absolutely right that there is no pressure to win. Why do you think he left. For everyone who thinks he was such a jerk, all he wanted to do was put a team together to challenge for the Stanley Cup. Sometimes that requires making an unpopular decision. You can cry about Luongo all yhou want, he still wouldn't have made a difference if he was here. So you can forget talking about trades that didn't work out, the Panthers can't deal with anyone because no one takes them seriously. Holding on to Bow, knowing that 18 months prior he said he wasn't sure about staying was a bigger mistake then the Luongo deal. Explain to me why guys like Stillman, Weiss and some other have no trade clauses? Why do we of all teams give them out? This isn't a retirement community! A culture change is aboslutely necessary. Weiss, Horton, Olesz, Campbell, Kreps are all associated with this losing atmoshphere and have not lived up to expectations. The team would do themselves some good by moving these players. The other problem is that when we acquire players, we have to acquire players that know how to win, and are hungry for more. No more 33-35 year old journeymen. Meaning Reinprecht and Stillman. Even Moore was a stretch.
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Thanks. Come by often! Sorry if I appear bitter sometimes. I just want a winner here finally!
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It's time to move on from most of the se guys. Reinprecht belongs on the third line, Weiss on the second and Stillman and Olesz need to be traded. Let Campbell and Kreps go. You can replace them with guys from the minors. Listen they are kidding themselves if they think that Bitz is a second liner. Go and get a real number one center and a true goal scoring winger.
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Horton until this year, lazy. Has potential, but not sure if we'll ever see it. Get him a real center and we might find out. Weiss, don't care what ANYONE says, too small, too frail and not nearly enough grit. Can't handle other teams number one centers. Deal him. Jay Bo, alleged great d-man on inferior team. Now on Calgary with superior partners, other players and a "real hockey city", which is what he wanted. Guess what? 2 goals and 22 assists. Calgary is not happy with his production, or lack of. He's not handling the pressure of playing in a Canadian city. As for the drafting of the two players by Keenan, which were Horton and Stewart, the organization forced Horton to play center. Big mistake. With Stewart they continued to bury him on the fourth line. In that respect, yes the organization failed it's players, and they are about to do the same thing with Repik. It's a combination of mistakes, but the bottom line is that the culture here must change. We have to stop signing guys like Reinprecht, Stillman, Moore, etc. There is no pressure by management to win, and that is why we are in the situation we are in. That and all the dumb signings JM did, as well as not tarding Jay Bouwmeester when he first opened his mouth about not wanting to stay, which was 24 months prior to when we did.
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Regardless of how we finish, which will be out of the playoffs, this team doesn't improve unless there are wholesale changes starting with management. Sexton is not a builder GM and obviously doesn't have the ability to MAKE a trade happen.
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The ghost of Jacques Martin lives on! He set this team back more than anyone wants to admit! Poor contracts, terrible free agent signings, poor trades, and one NON-trade have crippled this roster. Only here in Florida do you fire the coach for not making the playoffs for three season, then give him the general managers job!
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Tear it up yes. Build around Weiss, Horton and Booth. NO! Weiss and Horton have been here too loing and can be associated with losing and lazyness and lack heart and grit. What has Weiss done while Horton was out? Nothing. He's hurt every year and at best belongs on everyone else's second line. At best. I have no problem with Booth. I agree we do need a big and durable scoring center and a gritty veteran leader who knows how to win and can set an example for the youth. I have been preaching for this for years, but no one is listening. On a good team, last night doesn't happen. Especially on home ice!
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This should not be a surprise to anyone! Evertime we have a must win game, we wilt under pressure. This was an embarrasment. What the hell happened to Weiss? Nice giveaway stevie! Can we please trade him? Also, Vokoun, the team owes you dinner for the rest of the year. Defence can't clear the puck for you. This team has had it.
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Taffe has been called up in case little Stevie can't play due to a sore foot! This guy is always hurt. Congrats to him for attempting to play through his minor cuts and bumps, but for godsakes, I'm tired of his frail history.
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I'm not blaming Weiss, or any other player for that matter. The organization did the same thing to Weiss as they did with Rob Niedermayer and expected way too much. My point is that he and some others have been here way too long and are associated with losing. Time to move on and get some fresh faces and fresh attitudes.
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There will not be a postseason for the Panthers again! How many years does it take to figure this out? This team is run like a country club and has been for years. When we bring people in to hopefully fix things, there's complaints about too much change. Then we try to add stability and hang on to the deadwood. Face it, unless there is significant movement of players off this team in the summer, nothing will change. Too much inconsistency and too little heart and charachter. No leadership and very little hockey sense. Everyone thinks that Weiss is so good. I challenge you to watch him play and see what he does on every shift. Then watch the other teams number one center. Believe me there is no comparison. We have to stop trying to build around a soft, injury prone, gritless player. If he's such a good leader, then why where are the attributes? He should be the first to go. Other players have been too inconsistent, and were unfortunately rewarded with fat contracts. If not for Vokoun, we'd be 29th or 30th, and still find a way to screw up the draft. Unless we can get a younger goaltender who is just as good as Vokoun, then he needs to be signed to an extension for two more years in the summer. Purge the roster! Look at Toronto, they haven't been to the playoffs in a few years, and there is only one player left from the last time they made it. You will see them get better, while we continue to spin our wheels.
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If things are going to change it must start form the top down. Stu and Cliff need to clean house. New scouts, new assistant coaches if they are keeping DeBoer, and the same goes in Rochester. Our scouting and player development stinks, so you can have all the draft picks you want. We cannot develop them with the current staff. We need a VP of Hockey Operations for the GM to report to. Sexton may have done the best he could, but he's not the guy to change the team. Finally, the culture must change. Most of these players have been here too long and are associated with losing. Therefore a huge turnover is required.
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Mark Recchi, didn't need him. (still playing) Rich Peverley (who?) Brendan Morrison (on pace for 60 points this year) Just three examples of players that could have helped the Panthers
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As usual people get all wrapped up in the recent streak of better play, which is nice to see, but not a true picture of this team. I really believe that both New Jersey and Pittsburgh took us for granted, and that the Islanders were just flat. Teams like the Panthers have a problem with consistency. The game at home tonight will tell us alot. Remember it's a long season, and when you've been on the playoff bubble as we have been the last couple years, that last push never seems to be enough after all the slow starts to the beginning of the season. This team cannot be a legitimate playoff contender as it is right now. Getting Booth and Stillman back will help, but there still are other issues. Win 10 of 12 or 13 and maybe then we can think about making an honest run. Right now it's just the fact that we're winning on the road. If we can't win at home and don't continue to improve our special teams, we will find ourselves on the outside looking in. Again. The other side of this coin is what will the Panthers do come trade deadline? For four years in a row we have not done anything to improve our position. Unless of course anyone thought that Steve Eminger was useful?!
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Getting Booth back is going to help, but let's not rush him. He just started skating and is at least a month away from coming back I think. Only when he is fully clear of any headache's and problems do they bring him back. We cannot risk his future. As fot getting a point in an OT or shootout loss, we are a team that needs both of those points, especially when we play our Eastern Conference teams. We can't afford to give up any of those and have to learn to close the deal. In the meantime, this little run on the road will hopefully transform into another good game Wednesday night.
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can weiss clear waivers?
Toggle Commented Nov 12, 2009 on MacIntyre Clears Waivers at On Frozen Pond
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Once again this team goes back the their ways and continues to show us how bad they are. Also, how much longer do we keep a player that plays only 2 shifts, especially when the coach says, "He can't Help us"! Can they also include Goldy and Moeller in any trade that they make. I can't stand listening to either one of them.
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maybe matthias is sulking again. maybe Taffe promised to finish his checks. maybe they figured that they've tried enough youngsters, it's time to give a journeyman a try. maybe they are just out of ideas
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Mistake by this wonderful organEYEzation. Yes, he's gfifted, but he needs to work on his game and get better and stronger. This environment is not good for him right now, even if the Panthers turn things around. I would be concerned about his health. Since we are keeping him, I would suggest that Sexton goes out and gets some type of enforcer that can play. I don't want to see Koistenen on the 4th line all year.
Toggle Commented Oct 27, 2009 on Dmitry Kulikov Stays (For Now) at On Frozen Pond
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Rosters change all the time. When you have good players that are also smart and have hockey sense they blend very well. We need to stop making excuses is right. This team is not very good. We missed the playoffs by one point last year and what have we done to build on that? Traded away a defencemen that was very marketable and got a six pack of bud lite in return. We signed a free agent defenceman that couldn't play on Nashville! And we have him playing 4 minutes a night at forward. We traded to get the rights to a center that is a third line center at best, but now he's hot, so everything is ok with that deal? I feel for DeBoer, however his hissy fits with Belak and Boynton are coming back to haunt him. Those 2 guys have more toughness in their little toe then the entire team put together.
Toggle Commented Oct 26, 2009 on Repik, McArdle Up with Panthers at On Frozen Pond
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