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Has there ever been a case in which a haredi rabbi publicly supported the victim and not the criminal? I don't recall one case in which this occurred. Does anyone know of one?
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It simply amazes me that some people are so focused on the minutiae of daily living they cannot see the forest from the trees. Why are some people afraid to exercise the good critical judgment that G_d gave them when they were born, and do what is needed to protect a life, regardless what some rabbi says.
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Given the huge amount of actual and anecdotal data about child sexual abuse within the haredi community, one would have to be blind not to conclude that this is a very very significant issue within that community. If the data were available, it would show that child sexual abuse within the haredi community is much more prevalent than within the non-haredi Jewish community. Why? Sociologists would say it is due to the sexual repression that occurs, and that protecting haredi cultural norms is more important than protecting haredi children. Those who believe that protecting haredi cultural norms at the expense of their children are evil people. I don't know how they can atone for their sins each year during Yom Kippur. And you can start with haredi leadership - the rabbis who turn a blind eye to this. They are the most evil of all. Please see the article below from the Jerusalem Post to understand how devastating this can be to,children and their families. http://www.jpost.com/National-News/He-masterminded-systematic-rape-of-over-100-kids
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Due to the high population growth rate of the Haredim, the nauseating behavior of the Haredim at the hotel is the face of Israel to come. Israel has no future.
Toggle Commented Sep 1, 2013 on 'Justice' In Israel at FailedMessiah.com
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Assuming that according to Halacha, a Jew may not save the life of a non-Jew, what other ridiculous rules are part of Halacha?
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The haredi society is so much different in so many different ways than the non-haredi society in Israel, that that civil war will one day ensure. Living side by side just won't work.
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"Let's cool off for a second. Other than wearing modest clothing, nothing is more important than protecting the purity of the kohanim. The woman should have been proud to endanger her life so that this 4000 year-old requirement was not infringed in any way. Thank God the rabbi was there to enforce the rule. He'll deal with kaddish for the fetus at some future time." Posted by: Sarek | July 09, 2013 at 11:50 AM Sarek, you are bull sh*tting us, right? You must be, because no one could possibly come up with what you wrote. The incident described in the article not only violates Jewish values, but also human values. Every day I thank G_d that I was not raised in such a stifling religious environment, and that I was taught to use the common sense and good critical judgment that I was born with. Thank G_d!
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Not sure how this squares with the haredi probhibition on on the use of computers, iPhones, etc.
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I wish the rabbi a full and speedy recovery.
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Hopefully, the first of manny....
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To all those haredi apologists who defend their cultural norms regarding child sexual abuse, please respond and share your views on the following: There is overwhelming anecdotal data to indicate that the incidence of child sexual abuse in some haredi communities is much higher than in other haredi communities, and in the non-haredi Jewish community. Victims and their families are told not to go to the police to report the crime, and when they do, they are vilified, threatened and shunned by their community, all with the approval of their rabbi. This protects the accused, and he is left free to continue to abuse other children. These Haredim are more interested in protecting their cultural norms than in protecting their children. Why? What is wrong with these communities and their rabbis, who serve in leadership positions? There is no other culture in the world where this takes place. This is an aberrant culture. Shame on them.
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To quote the rabbi, "Twenty years from now, we’ll be a majority here." Yes, and you can eventually kiss Israel goodby. All the Pals need to do is wait. Not one shot fired.
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When the good rabbi and his colleagues spend as much time focusing on the rampant amount of child sexual abuse in segments of the haredi community as they do in protecting their cultural norms regarding women, then perhaps he will have some credibility on this subject. Until then, NONE. There will be individuals responding to this post by saying there is no evidence that the incidence of child sexual abuse in segments of the haredi community is any different compared with the general population. There are too many news reports that indicate the contrary. Besides, a more relevant comparison is the non-haredi Jewish population, or segments of the haredi population where child sexual abuse is low. When the history of haredi Judaism is written, this will be its darkest cultural norm, and the fact that the haredi community did nothing about stopping it is unforgivable. They are violating a prime value of Judaism.
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PS: Jake, In the Jewish value system that I was brought up in, protection of children would trump any cultural norm. This is not the case with haredi cultural norms.
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"Runner their is no evidence that I am ware of indicates that incidents of pedophillia is higher in Charedei society. While most pedophilia is hushed up that problem is more endemic in the Charedei community because they are brought up in a belief system that teaches fear and suspicion of the American justice system." Posted by: Jake | May 09, 2013 at 10:37 PM Jake, These is no evidence because a peer reviewed study by a sociologist has not been conducted. There is so much anecdotal data, that this is an issue screaming for attention. By the way, the question is wether the incidence of child sexual abuse within the haredi community is higher than in the NON-HAREDI JEWISH community. This is the proper group for measurement.
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No democracy, no financial,support from the Diasporia.
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Time and time again, ultra-orthodox rabbis who are accountable to no one make ridiculous fatwa-like pronouncements and expect their followers to obey. Do any of these off-the-wall statements get vetted by anyone before they are made? Who evaluates these rabbis performance, and who fires them for stupid comments or actions? What happens when ultra-orthodox rabbis make pronouncements that contradict each other?
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The haredi rabbis need to be more concerned about protecting haredi children from sexual abuse than spying on women to ensure they don't violate some subjective standard of modesty. What an aberrant culture.
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Mr. Hynes states that the problem of child sexual abuse is not endemic to the (haredi) Jewish community. How does he know? Anecdotally, it appears that there is significantly more abuse in this community than in the non-haredi Jewish community. The haredi rabbis will not even consider this possibility, because they value their cultural norms more than the safety of their children. Shame on them. They are committing a sin against G_d.
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To quote from the article: ".... because the government’s decision to draft haredi yeshiva students is a “gezeirat shmad [a decree of forced conversion from Judaism to another religion or to atheism]” and an “uprooting” of Judaism ....." Actually, it is the Haredim who are not practicing Judaism. They are practicing Haredism.
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S M L : The Haredim do not practice Judaism, they practice Haredism.
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These people who harass kids in wheelchairs are not practicing Judaism, they are practicing Haredism, and in an evil way.
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These people are a huge embarrassment. They are not practicing Judaism, but Haredism.
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"I hate to drag Penn State's name through the Agudah - or is it vice versa? Dirt, dirt everywhere. Wow. Great work." Posted by: dh | April 12, 2013 at 05:50 PM This is the University of Pennsylvaina where the "research" report was written, not Penn State. I am sure the University's research rules were violated due to not disclosing the lack of independence. Leas' and Betesh's reputation just took a big hit.
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Written by someone with the grammar skills of a 3rd grader.......
Toggle Commented Apr 12, 2013 on Rebbe On The Run at FailedMessiah.com
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