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"Price Tag" attacks originated as attacks against innocent Arab "soft" targets that were carried out not in retaliation for anything done by the victims, but actually designed as a reaction to something done by the Israeli army, police or government that the perpetrators (usually extremist settlers) didn't like. The idea was that there would be a "cost" when, for example, an illegal settlement was evacuated by the police and army. These attacks were condemned as cowardly by most people. But, as usual, very little effort was made to catch the perpetrators. In this case, the attacks are not clearly price tag attacks in the original sense, despite the headlines and some of the graffiti. But it seems like the name has caught on to describe any acts of vandalism carried out against innocent Arab civilians by the extreme Right.
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David, the perpetrators are unlikely to be products of haredi education. These people are right-wing Zionists. Even if they are "hardal" - haredi nationalists - 99% of whom are religious Zionists who have also become religiously super-conservative. The police should also be looking at the filthy racist 'Chief Rabbi' of Safed, Rabbi Eliyahu - the one who said Jews are forbidden to rent to goyim etc. The presence of someone like him in the area, promoting this kind of ideology, is no doubt an inspiration to other, more physically active, racist thugs.
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And when they are caught, what happens pray tell? They are treated as naughty boys, not the dangerous racist extremists they really are. And unlike haredim, these people have guns and the support of powerful politicians, and an army willing to look the other way. The entire state apparatus supports settlement expansion to the max and is not at all bothered by these "wild weeds" except for the embarrassment they cause.
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Got to agree with plus google on this one. The Israeli authorities don't give a damn about catching the perpetrators. The only time they'll lift a finger is when some diaspora Jews or some oversees Christians make a fuss about Israel's vaunted religious tolerance and protection of all religions. And let's not hear about how it's worse for Christians in many Arab countries. That's not the model to which Israel aspires is it?
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More slogans. Actually, Jews are forbidden for religious reasons by every major rabbi (without exception) from praying on the temple mount. Those who wish to contravene this ban do so for no other reasons than either they believe the age of the moshiach is nigh, or because they wish to show the Muslims who's boss. Apparently you fall into the latter category. And yes, if a group if ultranationalist Italians demanded the right to build a temple to the Roman gods inside the grounds of the Vatican City it would be a problem.
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Typadder, merely repeating your nationalist mantras is not a convincing argument. If you think that disrespecting others and deliberately blowing up the whole region because of mystical, messianic ideas and meaningless nationalist slogans (which amount to nothing more than 'showing them who's boss') is "kowtowing to barbarian sensitivities," then you are are mistaken about who's the barbarian.
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Sarek, you are mixing things up. The Zionist rabbis advocating the building on the temple mount are not the same as the chareidi rabbis who advocate the positions you describe. In fact, the latter are those who are most diametrically opposed to Jews ascending the mount. Both groups have faults, as everyone knows. The nationalists, however, are a lot more dangerous. Their mixture of messianic religion and chauvinist nationalism is a recipe for the worst kind of disaster imaginable.
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The word you used to describe the chareidi descendants of Holocaust survivors was was 'vermin.' Not 'credulous, xenophobic Neanderthals.'
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Jancsi: "SimonF-Youre deranged mind cannot comprehend logic what you are writing is perverted thinking,so far the hareidim are the violent ones and use the natzi -type language ,you are one gigantic shote." ROFL. And I'm deranged? Did your Mama never teach you that two wrongs don't make a right? It's reprehensible whoever does it, (and it's usually Chareidim or Kach types - although they are usually calling other Jews Nazis or kapos, rather than describing them as vermin as Jeff does, or suggesting he would have preferred their families to have been murdered by the Nazis in place of others).
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Jeff, "Fuck off" - yes, that's about your level. I guess you don't like to be reminded of the occasions when your deep-seated hatred spills out into the open and your true colors are revealed. Shmarya "asked" you not to say certain things that he said are out of line, like: "When I think of all of the families eradicated during the Holocaust, and yet the parents and grandparents of these vermin survived..."
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Jeff, Mefoar was ironically pointing out that some posters here apparently think that no frum Jew can ever do anything right. You seem to fall into that category. Your complaint is certainly a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Also it's hard to take seriously this kind of ethical preaching from someone who has been warned by Shmarya these pages for actually advocating violence against haredim, and using Nazi-type language. Remember?
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What I quoted was completely in accordance with you claim, namely that the entire opposition was ALSO opposing this bill in order to court the Haredi parties for a future coalition. How you and Rebitzman imagine that to be a misleading quote is completely baffling. What part of your claim is missing from that quote? My grasp of Israeli politics is clearly a lot stronger than yours. The Arab parties have NEVER been included in an Israeli government, and a party that unifies the Arab and ArabJewish communist party together with the Islamist party is even less likely to ever be part of a government, or to be a faction on which a Zionist party could depend and retain credibility to lead a government with a majority of the Jewish public.
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I clearly included the word "also." So you are the deceitful one. Apparently you also have some issues with anger and verbal abuse. For your information, the "opposition" in Israel includes all the parties not in government (unlike other countries where only the largest non-government party is the official opposition). Since you used the word "it" to refer to "the entire opposition," your claim that Hadash, Ra'am-ta'al, Balad, and even Meretz are boycotting all these votes (or even this one) because they hope to court the support of Haredi parties for a future coalition is patently ridiculous. Either that or you've got the wrong end of the stick about what constitutes the opposition. And if you reply, can you please attempt to do so in a non-abusive manner.
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"in reality also due to its desire to court the support of haredi parties for a future coalition government" Wrong. Maybe Labor happens to have this interest, but this has nothing to do with why the other non-Haredi parties voted against this bill, which as you ought to know was pushed through by the government as part of a package deal along with 2 other bills considered by Labor, Meretz,etc as being anti-democratic.
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As long as they're in favor of continued settlement in the West Bank, the Right doesn't care what else anyone believes in order to view them as an ally.
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Dh, so only 100% supportive comments are allowed, according to you? And you claim to speak for everyone? What a truly bizarre perspective. And what's this sarcasm about me being a leader? Where did you come up with that? Very weird all round.
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This article is all about Shmarya's childish vendetta against The Forward. His claims about Satmar and the Yiddish version of The Forward are patently ridiculous. The fact that he continues to infect his attempts at serious journalism with this childish personal crap and his obsessive insistence on always being right (notwithstanding the fact that he is right probably 95% of the time) are the reason why Failed Messiah will continue to fail, compared to what it could be if he would just restrain himself and try to act professionally.
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Jeff - Druckman is not a "Torah giant." Nor would he pronounce it "Toyreh." He's a Zionist, not Haredi.
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