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That video is awesome, let us know when it's in high res!
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I think I am having trouble getting my message across. I'm not talking about people against you having equal rights. I have no idea who they are, although I know some of them took part in the lines on Wednesday. I'm talking about the majority of people on that particular day supporting the business. I'm trying to say they don't all want to take your rights away. I'm trying to say that it's not simply an LGBT issue. If it was, I doubt there would have been that many people participating. It encompasses much more than the issue you think it does. I'm trying to get you to think outside the box... why would people want to support Cathy other than denying someone else equal rights? If you can’t think of any, or worse, if you don’t want to think of any, then it’s moot to try and dialogue further. If you do want to know why people may have come out in droves that day but just can’t think of a reason – I can help, but this is just a combox on a blog and I don’t want to have a continuing conversation here. Can we possibly take this conversation somewhere else, like email or some other neutral forum to dialog on?
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You're right. Anger is perfectly reasonable. Overreacting may even be perfectly reasonable, as long as it's not extreme (like shooting someone), and you realize it and correct it afterward - like Wil did. We all make hasty decisions that we regret. I don’t know how many times I’ve suffered from foot in mouth syndrome. And believe me when I say I feel like crap afterwards, not realizing until it is too late that what I had said might have been taken as insensitive (even though it was not my intent at all). What I’m saying is you don't have to stop fighting for what you believe in, just respect others beliefs - because what you think you know about them is probably not true. What I’m saying is dialogue like you and me are dialoguing. You mentioned things in your last post that didn’t cross my mind. If they didn’t cross my mind then chances are they probably haven’t crossed others’ minds either. Letting others know in a civil way only gains respect. Letting others know in an accusatory way only gains more conflict – especially if the other side is as passionate about their views as you are. As far as me not getting what you have said – you may be right about that too. I can understand both sides of the coin in this situation. I’m not going to play the blame game because I know I don’t have all the facts. I do want to stress that this discussion has brought to light some things I didn’t take into consideration previously; however there are things that were not brought up here that are very important to me that I feel you are not considering. And one of them is what I have been trying to say all along. Can you possibly try to understand why the other side might feel slighted? Yours is not the only side to the coin. That’s what I’m trying to get across to you. I know you feel hurt and that’s perfectly understandable. Anger is understandable and quite frankly expected if someone is hurt. But hate develops when someone is too stubborn to see that there is actually another side and that their side is the only possible one to support. That side may be right and that side may be wrong, but I think you need to understand the motivations behind those that chose to support the “chicken chain that shall not be named”. They may not have gone to support Cathy. They may not have gone to support his beliefs. They may not have gone to support anything other than their need for nourishment (as, let’s face it, there are those that don’t really keep up with the news – although I’m sure it was a tiny fraction of the total). They may have gone there to support something you never even considered yourself. And yes, you may be right that all of that was not as important as your own cause but consider the fact that those people do feel differently. And the way you approach it makes all the difference in the world. It could mean anything from getting another to see what they never really considered and quite possibly not doing something so stupid again, to getting another so enraged that they will never listen to anyone on your side and continue to fan the fire of conflict. We may not have a choice as to what we are, but we do have a choice as to how to play the cards we’ve been dealt. It’s a struggle to be sure, with both wins and losses. And it seems (in my case anyway) that there are more losses in life than victories. But that is not going to stop me from trying to better myself. Even if others may seem like they want to tear me down. Because I know that all is not what it may seem. If you feel that I still don’t get it, then alas you’re probably right. If that is the case, I really wish I did. But like I said, I don’t have all the facts, and I may never understand. But at least I’m trying.
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There you go, that's what I mean. If you feel that way about people's actions, let them know! Just don't get fueled by hate. You did a good job above.
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I'm not saying let it slide at all. I'm saying no matter what side you're on, try to find out the real reason the other person is angry. Try to imagine why someone would stand in line other than to deny equal rights. I can think of at least one reason, and that reason was given by Wil in his blog. There are more. Can you at least try to think of any?
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It's not wrong to fight for equality. What is wrong is to respond to percieved "hate" with hate. Not only doesn't that solve anything, but makes matters worse by reinforcing the hate.
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Awesome! And I liked your NASA video about the landing too. It truly is amazing what we can do. Hopefully manned flights will be possible soon...
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I have to admit, bigotry goes both ways. Cathy and his supporters are seen as haters and intolerant of G&L. G&L and their supporters are seen as haters and intolerant of religion. Do you see where I’m going with this? Both sides have their reasons to believe why the other is seen as a hater, and they would be good reasons, except for one thing: taking into consideration the rationale behind the other’s views. Quite clearly if one UNDERSTOOD the reasons behind the other, there would be little conflict. But obviously there is a lack of willingness on both sides to understand or even WANT to understand the other’s side. What one person views as hate is most likely not hate, just disagreement. If I told you I didn’t approve of your choice in shoes, does that mean that I hate you? Of course not! If I told you I didn’t approve in the breed of dog or cat you chose to have, does that mean I hate you? Heck no. If I told you I didn’t approve of the religion you practice, or the partner you’ve chosen, or the religion your partner chose to practice, does that mean I hate you (or your partner)? Think about it! I dislike the choices people make, and even those I’ve made myself, but I don’t hate anyone. There are people that GENUINELY hate people’s color, race, religion, gender, and sexual orientation. But I’m telling you they are few and far between compared to the general population. People that dislike the choices we make (even those related to the above criteria in some way or another) are always and everywhere and will never go away. We always will disagree with someone else’s choices. That’s never going to end in a free society. But it has become – for whatever reasons – perfectly acceptable to jump to conclusions to decide for ourselves who hates what. It’s insanity. And we are all complicit in it. In order to get along, we have to ultimately realize that we are ALWAYS going to disagree with one another for whatever reason. And we are going to have to realize that we may never FULLY understand the reasons behind those disagreements; and that if we truly did we might change our mind. It may be best to try to dialogue with one another without the emotional baggage that comes along with our choices. But that’s a steep hill to climb and I suspect that most will find it easier to “hate” than to try to understand the other’s point of view. Unfortunately, perceived “hate” can develop into full-fledged hate relatively quickly. As in your case, Wil, it almost did. But due to your awesome nature you kept it in check. :) I’ve done similar things myself, as I suspect most people have too. I wish I could stop this madness but unfortunately I am only one person, and pretty much a nobody, so I feel powerless to do anything other than write this post. And, unfortunately, this post will ultimately be seen by someone as a hate post even though there’s no personal hate involved in it. I know it’s cliché material, but why can’t we just all get along? Our future depends on it.
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Unfortunately no government is immune from corruption... not even democratic ones. Some just take a lot longer than others.
Toggle Commented Jun 10, 2012 on The American People Have Spoken at WWdN: In Exile
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Aug 24, 2011
Glad I found your blog! There's an article over at Discovery News about this episode that has a quote from this blog. I've been watching Eureka since it debuted, and I was so happy when you guest starred on it. Now I'm ecstatic you've got a recurring role as Dr. Parrish. I hope they make you a regular soon! (How can they not?!)
Toggle Commented Aug 4, 2011 on Eureka: Up In The Air at WWdN: In Exile
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