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Btw, that Satmar children's book is full of hate, just like anything else from the anti-Israel propaganda machine.
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I like to apologize for the rhetoric I used and the way I came across. Comments such as "It's amazing that Holocaust denial is a crime in many countries; but not the denial of the stealing of the Yemenite babies in order to steal their identity. It's truly a travesty" are over the top; for whatever happened to the Yemenite Jews is, to say the least, peanuts compared to what happened in the Holocaust. Also, I was misguided. There was no evidence of an mass Israeli attempt to steal Yemenite babies [I did say that at best, the Israeli Government was neglectful' but still]. Also, I'm sure that yes, there may have been some incompetence; as Israel was then a young state and they were struggling to take in the Jews from the Arab and Muslim countries [in contrast to the Arab world where the refugees were left to rot in dirty refugee camps so then Israel can look bad; even though the wars they started caused the problem]. As for the few cases where they did find babies with other families [or cases where they couldn't find the fate of the other babies], it's possible that individual nurses, social workers, and/or doctors handed them to other families and/or there was a lot of incompetence. But there was no Israeli policy to steal Yemenite babies. I fell for the very type of allegations [accusations against Israel] that I warned others not to fall for. For this, the tone used, and for falling for these same type of traps, I hereby make this comment an official apology.
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Never mind the last one. Crime looks like it was highlighted. But it just looks that way. My bad.
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I don't understand why this story is posted user the section "crime". A crime means breaking the law. Crimes mean rape, sexual harassment, murder, and robbing. This story doesn't involve a crime; just a misunderstanding. Whether he made the right choice to put on the Tefillin is another issue. Technically, he has a first amendment right (freedom of religion) to put it on. If you'll make the case that it was a bad choice on his part to put it on at that moment (which is valid), it is not against the law to make bad choices. Crime means breaking the law, not making choices that you disagree with.
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So sad how on this blog, misunderstandings like this one turns into utter hatred, name calling, and lynchmobs. People make mistakes. There are miscommunications. What's with all the vitriol?
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Nothing could give me greater pleasure than to see me proved wrong on this issue. I still love Israel deeply and strongly support it in the Arab-Israeli conflict. I'll say that. I know that Shmarya Rosenberg will be all over what I am about to say. But I'll say it in the interest of objectivity. For one of the cases mentioned, it has been disputed that Magilit Omassi was indeed the mother of Tzila Levine. According to DNA tests from the Israeli health ministry, they're not related. And the Hebrew Universities Genetics Department also said that the DNA test saying that they're mother and daughter was not correct. Link is right below: http://www.jweekly.com/includes/print/7212/article/hebrew-u-admits-yemenite-testing-goof/ However, I just find it troubling that many Yemenite Jews do remember seeing their babies healthy and then were told that they died. However, another article does say that says that when she was in a transit camp; while Israel was absorbing the Jews from Arab and Muslim countries, that clinic staff told her that her infant died. Maybe she got the wrong child. The alleged mother and daughter refuse to accept the DNA tests that say that they're not related. But since I brought up this case and I found this after further research, I'm just saying this for the interests of objectivity.
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Shmaryan Rosenberg, you just say the same thing over and over and resort to name calling [pretty much the same stupid name calling]. You claim that there has been research to show that no Yemenite baby was kidnapped and call me names. I haven't even blamed the whole Israeli Government for those kidnappings. I said that, at best, they were too neglectful for not prosecuting those responsible. Clearly, there's no point to arguing with a parrot. Good luck with your rag pseudo-blog.
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So what if one if from 1997? It doesn't make it any less accurate because it was reported sixteen years ago. The other one is based on what the author of the article heard. In other words, it was based on a first hand account. Again, I asked for proof, which you failed to give. The date of one of the articles in no way relates to its accuracy. One has nothing to do with the other. For the kidnappings of Yemenite babies happened in the 1940s and 1950s. Now give me real evidence, instead of using the date as it it's "proof" that it's unreliable. Because again, dates of articles have no bearing to their accuracy, especially when it comes to a story that happened decades ago.
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Does anyone notice how Shmarya Rosenboob is saying the same thing over and over because he has no facts. Because that's what he is: a boob with an agenda.
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"You are a sick, ill, lying piece of crap." Wow, back to the pathetic name calling because the "brilliant" Shmarya Rosenbbob has nothing. "Again, there is NO credible evidence, DNA or otherwise, to support the idea that large numbers of Yemenite kids were kidnapped by the government and given to secular families to raise. NONE." Except DNA tests, moron. At least, the Government then was being too neglectful, as it was happening. "You cited two anecdotal reports, one pre-DNA, and both long since shown conclusively not to be representative (or accurate, for that matter)." You say that those reports are not accurate. I say that they are accurate. Do you have any proof that discredits those stories or shows those people to be liars? Unless I see credible evidence, you will not convince me, especially with your sick name calling. You're name calling is a classic example of the pot calling the kettle black. And there were DNA tests involved with those cases [and thousands of others]. Let's take a look: http://articles.philly.com/1997-08-28/news/25566342_1_adoption-agency-baby-daughter-yemenite-jews "Last week, after nearly a half-century apart, mother and daughter were reunited here after DNA tests supported their blood relationship. Their remarkable saga gives new credence to one of Israel's most persistent and shocking conspiracy theories - that hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Yemenite babies were kidnapped in the late 1940s and 1950s and sold for adoption to European Jews." Let's take another look at the other case example I cited: http://petal.expertscolumn.com/article/true-story-5000-stolen-yemeni-jewish-babies "It turned out that the driver did have the very same birthmark described by Sarah, and after further biological tests was proved to be her son." So there you go. Other biological tests proved that he was her son. To dismiss this all as "Satmar-generated hate propaganda" is ridiculous. Go ahead and call me all the vicious names you want. But you won't prove anything. "You are a sick, ill, diseased little man." You said that already, Rosenboob. Come up with something new and original.
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It's so sad for this pathetic Shmarya Rosenberg guy to resort to name calling because he knows that the facts are not on his side. Let's make something very clear. I'll try to speak idiot so then people like Shmarya can understand what I am saying. I am NOT [that's right NOT] affiliated any way with Satmar. In fact, I cited the NY Times, not Satmar.So I guess that NY Times article and all the the DNA tests are really part of a "Satmar-generated hate propaganda" according to Rosenboob. Wow. Who could've known? In fact, anyone who looks at what Is ay on the internet will see that I generally support Israel. A question I ask is why weren't the doctors, nurses, and social workers, who stole the Yemenite babies, not prosecuted [on a previous post, I said persecuted; but I meant prosecuted]? If I'm wrong, give a source instead of baseless insults. Why is it that Yemenite individuals, who wanted to see who their parents were, were discouraged from doing so? It seems that the Socialist secular Israeli establishment [or much of it] in those days wanted to steal the identity of Yemenite Jews and raise them with Socialist secular European values. Anyway, I also want to say that this blog is a pathetic hate rag. Rosenberg is a pathetic moron, period. And again, I am not a supporter of Satmar. I did not defend that Satmar children's books. I just brought up a claim that was in there and said that, in fact, Yemenite babies were stolen from their parents. It's amazing that Holocaust denial is a crime in many countries; but not the denial of the stealing of the Yemenite babies in order to steal their identity. It's truly a travesty. Here's another article ["Satmar-generated hate propaganda" according to Rosenboob]: http://articles.philly.com/1997-08-28/news/25566342_1_adoption-agency-baby-daughter-yemenite-jews "When Umassi went to breast-feed her daughter at a transit camp nursery one evening, the child was gone. A nurse said she had no idea where the baby was. "Last week, after nearly a half-century apart, mother and daughter were reunited here after DNA tests supported their blood relationship. Their remarkable saga gives new credence to one of Israel's most persistent and shocking conspiracy theories - that hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Yemenite babies were kidnapped in the late 1940s and 1950s and sold for adoption to European Jews. "For decades, Yemenite Jews have alleged that their babies were stolen by authorities when they first immigrated to Israel, and either sold to wealthy Jewish families or given to Ashkenazi, or European, Jews who had lost children in the Holocaust. The stories seemed too incredible to be true - until the reunion of Margalit Umassi and the missing baby, now a 48-year-old Sacramento resident named Tsila Levine. "``You can't cheat DNA. I don't have a shadow of a doubt that this is my family,'' Levine testified yesterday before an Israeli investigative commission in Jerusalem." And here's another portion where the Israeli Government tried to discourage the girl from searching about her past, which was stolen from her: "``They said they have absolutely no information about my case, not even a document that confirms my existence,'' Levine testified yesterday. ``They said I'd better stop searching for my roots, and that I would only come face to face with a brick wall if I did so.''" Btw, so in other words, none of the articles or sources I cited thus far came from Satmar. But I guess I cited the same case example as before. Let me cite another example: http://petal.expertscolumn.com/article/true-story-5000-stolen-yemeni-jewish-babies " Here is one of those stories "from the horse's mouth" as it were: The lady I met is called Sarah, she married in Yemen when she was 12 and together with her husband immigrated to Israel. While in one of the immigration camps her first born son of 14 months was taken from the children's tent, and she was told that he had died during the night. They were shown no body, no grave and no documentation. "Sarah went on to have 6 more children, and live in Tel Aviv. Many years later Sarah, now 60, took a bus from her neighborhood into the center of Tel Aviv. As she boarded the bus her heart stopped and she thought she had seen a ghost. She was absolutely positive that the bus driver was her long lost son. "Sarah told the driver that there was an emergency and that he had to come with her to the police station. After much discussion and without giving an explanation Sarah persuaded the driver to leave his bus there and then and accompany her to the police station. "The bus driver arrived at the police station with Sarah, still unsure of her intentions. She asked him to wait a minute while she took a policeman aside and told him that she was sure that this man was her son, and that she could prove it. The son she lost had a distinct birthmark on his thigh. The officer took the bus driver into an interrogation room and began to question him. What is your name? Where did you grow up? Who are your parents? How old are you? What is your date of birth? Where you adopted? The bus driver answered that his parents had passed away a long time ago and that he was not adopted. "The officer managed to avoid explaining to the driver why he was being questioned, until the officer asked if the driver had any birthmarks. At this point the driver insisted on knowing what he was being questioned for, and the police officer told him that this lady thought he could be her son. It turned out that the driver did have the very same birthmark described by Sarah, and after further biological tests was proved to be her son." None of the sources are Satmar. Btw, I have harshly criticized NK's anti-Israel positions before. So please let Rosenboob know that I am NOT affiliated to Satmar. Nor were any of the sources I cited Satmar sources. But I guess all those DNA tests and all those cases of Yemenite children and parents finding each other are really "Satmar-generated hate propaganda" in the "brilliant" mind of Shmarya Rosenboob.
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Btw, before dummies like Rosenberg lump me in with the worst of the worst among Ultra-Orthodox Jews, please let him know that I am harshly critical of corruption from Haredi rabbinical authorities, particularly the corruption of those in Israel. Thank you.
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lol.. Shmarya Rosenberg is denying history. Yemenite Jewish babies were indeed stolen from their parents and given over to secular European Jews. That is a historical fact. DNA evidence confirms it. Rosenberg is denying it because he has an agenda to bash all "Orthodox" and Torah observant Jews. DNA evidence of Yemenite Jews who were raised in European homes has matched the DNA of his/her Yemenite parents, who were told that their kids died. That is an undeniable fact. If you want evidence go to: http://www.nytimes.com/1997/09/02/world/the-babies-from-yemen-an-enduring-mystery.html "Tzila Levine, the daughter of a Yemenite Jewish woman, had been put up for adoption as an infant without her mother's knowledge after they immigrated to Israel nearly 50 years ago. Last week Mrs. Levine traced and apparently found her biological parent, Margalit Umaysi. A DNA test confirmed their relationship with a certainty of 99.99 percent. "Their emotional reunion attracted wide attention because it nourished a persistent conspiracy theory that is part of an ethnic fault line running through Israeli society. "Those who believe the theory contend that hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Yemenite babies who were reported to have died or to have disappeared after their parents came to Israel were actually kidnapped and given or sold for adoption to European-born Israelis and American Jews." To see other source material, go to: http://www.ha-keshet.org.il/english/missing_yemenite.htm You can say that much of the Israeli establishment then looked the other way or was neglectful. In any case, the Israeli social workers, doctors, and nurses, who were responsible, should've been persecuted. I've been a strong Zionist for a couple of years. But this idea of treating Israel as an idol has gotten out of control for secular "Zionists." How could Israel say that they were the "homeland" of the Jews when they stole Yemenite Jewish babies because the Yemenite immigrants had different religious and cultural values? What a disgrace. And people like Shmarya are in denial. -plus.google.com/116599376272863439557
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