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Yeah that looked bad when it started redirecting to CSNphilly
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As some time has passed with these transactions, I can't help but think that the 'rebuild' was announced in large part due to fidcal issues including another large projected drop in gate revenue and getting squeezed before the new tv deal with Comcast kicks in. Oh bullsh!t!!!! You've been calling this a fiscal issue for two years now.
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The Phillies FO doesn't know or doesn't care about WAR. That is how they keep their jobs.
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Oh boy! GTown and Will S are back The nonsense floodgates are opened
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Juums: I'm uncertain about the Bastardo deal as well. The guy does not seem like any great shakes but like I said- we needed to do something. I am not a fan of trading BAstardo (or Rollins) for the sake of it but this team was circling the drain now for a while. It was time to do something. It was time a long time ago actually.
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MG: I have no idea what they could have done at the trade deadline last year. All I know is people are saying Amaro had outrageous demands and he said people weren't aggressive enough. My guess is what we get for Rollins is more in line with what we were going to actually get in July of last year. To me- this is all necessary in order to get some young guys into this system and begin taking a new direction because the old one was not working anymore. I choose to not speculate on things that are just that.
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"Funny/sad thing is that Bastardo and JRoll likely have more value at the trade deadline last year and Amaro asked too much or could have made a more compelling case to JRoll ...." All baseless speculation possibly too.
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What does this mess even mean MG: "Are you seriously going to argue that shouldn't a move wouldn't be just really a salary dump by the Phils?"
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One year old scouting report on Joely Rodriguez from Fangraphs. http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/joely-rodriguez-power-lefty-of-note/ This past year he regressed a little in Double A as his walks and hits per 9 went up. Seems like a slightly intriguing guy and does help bridge the gap on starting pitching depth in the minors.
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What is an acceptable deal to you then MG? What if a team only wants Rollins and not a "bundle?"
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MG: What do you have against getting back guys in Single A who are somewhere on the lottery ticket scale? You always frame these things as if that is a terrible return for a player. Rollins does make a lot of money and this might be financially motivated but if they get back a (or two) 15-20 prospects from the Dodgers it is good in that they are doing what they can to bring talent into the organization that might contribute going forward.
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we are not getting Wade Miley in this deal.
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The thing to me is that if you look hard enough at any prospect you will be able to find something to be worried about: not enough maturity, home run power might not develop, maybe can't stick at position, strikes out too much, walks too little....there are any number of issues. What Amaro needs to do is lay out what guys he is comfortable getting back in a trade and then you let the chips fall where they may. I hate to see Rollins and/or Hamels traded but if one or a package of the two brings back Seager and/or Pederson + then you go for it.
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That Gillick quote isn't really newsworthy. I would bet with a majority of sports franchises it works like that.
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The only thing I would add to what you said Rob is that Amaro should tell the Red Sox: "When you are ready to get serious call me...."
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WP: If you had said "Can we go back to the first Lee signing," I may have obliged. However, I want nothing to do with the Abreu trade. Seriously though- I'm done with it. I just was amusing myself anyway at this point and it is clear he wants to live in a land of delusion without confronting evidence put in front of him. I do legitimately wish Tal would try to contribute to the website here instead of clickbaiting his articles here and getting his panties in a wad when you criticize something he says. Last thing I want to point out on Tal though is the absolute hilarity of him posting this sentence: "I usually write and edit at night, which is why my posts here are after midnight." Then putting up posting times where 17 of the 24 are before midnight. You have to love humor like that everyone. Now- hopefully this Hamels stuff is settled soon.
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or 80 ERA+ pitcher if you prefer.
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I know what Tal's article was about. I was just saying his argument to get there was idiotic. Also, CHung Russo on here promoting Tal's other articles-- yup NOT THE SAME GUYS AT ALL. For Kendrick I will say the same thing about him that I did about Mayberry. He is representative of the mediocrity that has permeated this franchise for the past few years. He's a good guy but the team needs to turn the page from him- and guys like him. Let someone else give him a bunch of money to be a 4.00 ERA pitcher.
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Tal: You now have two examples: Napoli and Balfour- I look forward to you twisting the logic there. awh: No offense taken for two reasons: 1.) Everyone here can be a PITA from time to time. 2.) My wife would agree with you
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"You don't find a 75 percent drop from $48 million to $12 million to be unusual, do you? If it's so common, humor me with a few examples." Here is a recent one- Mike Napoli agreed to a 3 year/39 million dollar deal with the Red Sox in 2012...He failed the physical and the deal became 1 year for 5 million...Was that so hard to find an example? "I did not apply to CA except for a guest post, which is when I realized they're a sabermetrics site. That was before I added a sabermetrics section. That stated, CA wants sabermetric-based articles, which I don't write." You all of a sudden realized they were sabermetrics inclined? Your investigative skills know no bounds. Your sabermetric section is junk and you just put up numbers without understanding any context of how to use them. Also, you don't write sabermetric articles: you write garbage articles. "Beat writers have inside access and would not publish something like this even if they knew. It would create problems for them if the team didn't like their review, and bigger publishing organizations can be sued." Todd Zolecki is the Phillies beat writer for MLB.com and he was the one who reported there was a problem and even said the deal might not even happen. He is a well known beat writer, the team still talks to him and gives him news, and MLB.com was not sued. Try again. Your articles at isportsweb having no comments means you have nothing insightful or interesting enough for someone to even take the time to criticize your articles. That's why you post other places. Also, if someone did disagree with them you would write a long, ellipsis filled dissertation never answering their question and then saying, "I'm a baseball man and I only answer a question once and not twice," or whatever drivel you have been posting. If you wrote a coherent, thoughtful piece I would give you credit for it. I have no problem giving positive credit. You haven't written anything worth any acclaim yet as you can tell as people here are not even bothered to type anything about your articles. Except for of course your alter ego Chung Russo. And if you are not him you should give him some funds or something because he actually got some people to view your article or at least even remotely consider it. I read your piece. The conclusion does not stem from anything in your argument and the huge ridiculous hole in the middle about the Phillies employing shadow tactics to sign MAG ruins the validity of anything you say. Yes three lines trashes the rest of your article. Your 5:03 am post just shows what a disingenuios hack you are.. Let me help edit a comment you made in that post though: "In other words, I shouldn't post here..." Right on- you shouldn't post here.
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One thing on this Montgomery/Middelton story that I found interesting is the way the Phillies replied to the report this time. The first statement they issued was pretty emphatic. This last one was a little more vague. “no determination [has been] made," sort of sounds like Montgomery is getting removed from his position and they aren't ready to say anything about it yet. Of course as an organization they should be on top of this but then I'm not running a major league baseball franchise...
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Tal: I took your advice and went to MLB Trade Rumors. Saw this dated July 26, 2013: "The Phillies have reached agreement with Cuban pitcher Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez on a six-year deal, $48MM deal, Jeff Passan of Yahoo! Sports reports. With bonuses, Gonzalez's contract could be worth as much as $59MM. MLB.com's Jesse Sanchez reported that Gonzalez's contract includes a vesting option for 2019, and Passan noted that the vesting option is worth $11MM." That is a clear report saying that an agreement was reached. Nothing special pending a physical which is a routine aspect following any agreement of this nature. Do I believe two respected writers in Passan and Sanchez or isportsweb fiction writer Tal Venada? Hmmmm... August 7, 2013 from MLBTR: "After the agreement was announced, reports surfaced that some clubs had been wary of problems in Gonzalez's elbow. Zolecki reports that Gonzalez has had bone spurs removed within the past two years but is said to have recovered from that procedure. If the agreement were to fall through, it would drastically change the Phillies' outlook for 2014 and perhaps even 2013, as he was expected to be in the Majors next season and possibly even this year." So clubs were aware of elbow issues and that scared some off. The Phillies did not have any special information that others did not. August 30, 2013 from MLBTR: "Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports tweets that the initial contract broke down due to concerns regarding Gonzalez's right elbow. The Phillies have now secured Gonzalez at a bargain rate compared to where the initial bidding began. A few weeks after that initial report, rumors began to circulate that the agreement was in jeopardy. Passan's tweet confirms what was speculated in those reports — elbow problems did indeed impact negotiations. Elbow troubles aren't exactly new for Gonzalez, as he'd previously had surgery to remove bone spurs from his right elbow." So something came up in the physical and he would have almost assuredly failed the physical so the Phillies were able to adjust their offer. It wasn't some scheme like you think it was.
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BAP: That means we aren't getting a response. Also, I now know why Tal puts his articles here. See it is a free posting site (until hopefully JW returns and he bans the nonsense articles) so he can post whatever he wants. It isn't like Crashburn Alley where he was trying to get a position as a writer and failed when Baer basically turned down his writings.
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I do like the idea of getting Susac and I wouldn't put that past Sabean at all.
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Tal: You are exhausting. However, I will humor you until you decide to run away again. 1.) Never said I was banned from TGP. I guess you make things up for normal posting as well. 2.) "Specious" means something looks plausible on the surface but is really false. Your MAG story falls into this category but we will get to that. 3.) There are scenarios in some of your articles that are made up or outright false. I did not say all. You do use legitimate events (the Phillies signing MAG) as a jumping off point but then spin off into crazy town (The Phillies subterfuge offer). 4.) I did not say the MAG signing was false. I was pretty clearly saying the idea that the FO made him an offer to get rid of other teams is false. You are being intentionally dopey. 5.) You may get legitimate criticism ELSEWHERE- fine. I doubt it but fine. I find it interesting that you have no comments on your articles on the isportsweb page and for the most part no one mentions your articles here. Every week you pop here and say "If you guys are interested..." and you have received maybe--MAYBE-- 5 comments on the articles, and 2 of them are from someone who is you under a fake name. I don't have to prove that either...I'm just a posting man and it is my opinion. Reading people is the answer to their decisions;past, present, and future. Also there is a humanizing element. 6.) Of your 11 MAG reasons- #1, 6, 7, and 8 are true. #5, and 11 are just you saying what you did and really WGAF. The rest are just you trying to jump through hoops to create reasoning for your article when the actual story is pretty obvious. BAP mentioned Occam's Razor and my guess is you have no idea what that meant. Essentially- when there are multiple ideas-whichever one has the least amount of assumptions is probably the correct one. In this instance here is what happened: The Phillies were interested in MAG and they along with other teams observed him pitching and made offers. The Phillies offered 48 million and won the bidding. Then they did a standard physical and bristled at the money. They went to the agent and said we need to lower the deal. The agent knew if they backed away the medicals would come out and they had to accept an offer like they did. To you in your article it went like this: The Phillies were interested in MAG and they along with other teams observed him pitching and made offers. The Phillies were the only team that knew he was injured so they got together in a bunker somewhere and said "We need to make a huge offer so other teams back out and then we can adjust our offer to him." So the Phillies made a huge offer and then went to the agent and said "Now that all these other teams are out of the way we are going to cut this deal in half based off of the physical." You can't see how that is absurd? Or how that is connecting together a lot of threads that are not really necessary? I know you want to be different from beat writers or SABR guys but seriously you are going too far in the other direction to be taken seriously. There was another article that I remember (I believe it was the first one you posted here, but I don't remember specifics of it and I don't hate myself enough to go back and read it) where you did something similar. Seriously though- no one here cares about your articles and they don't add anything to the discussion that is being had here. In fact, I would wager my house that people are tired of reading even our few posts back and forth. And after this post, I'm done with this discussion. If you want to post on Beerleaguer than just post here. Give us your opinion and thoughts on things. Don't just use the place as clickbait for your poorly written articles. Go pollute philly.com or ESPN.com Phillies message boards with it. The tl:dr version of this post is this: You use legitimate stories as starting points but make up things or stories off of them in order to construct some ridiculous point.
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