"So the idea that Catholic bishops are violating church and state by bringing Catholic doctrines into public discussion is wrong." So the idea that Muslim leaders are violating church and state by bringing Sharia law into public discussion is wrong?

"Let's see: my stuff was sourced and your best response is "wahhhhh!"" I enjoy your fantasy. None of your "stuff" was sourced. All of mine were sourced. "at the end still supports my argument that oil production is down on federal lands." Once again, production is up from 2009 to 2011. "shows a Democrat demanding the numbers be doctored in Obama's favor" Any evidence the numbers are inaccurate?

This is the second letter from a high ranking employee of Standard Beverage Corp. campaigning against the legislation. If I were cynical, I would believe this is a coordinated effort. Nothing wrong with that, but why not be open about it?

"Curahee must not consider the house or usnews to be a link." Not a single link posted on this thread. Not one. Zero. Zip. Nada. Zilch. You represented US News as a source. It was not. It was reporting Speaker Boehner's press release. You lied. The House source that you cite is proven to be inaccurate. I will post again. http://www.platts.com/RSSFeedDetailedNews/RSSFeed/Oil/6058110 "Yet in the real world production is down on federal lands under Obama." Wrong. It increased from 2009 to 2010. Obama would have little influence on 2009 numbers. 2011 numbers are still up from 2009. Not spin fact. "The revised figures show a 15% rise in production, from 642 million barrels in 2009 to 739 million barrels in 2010. But the new data also adds in production numbers from 2011, which shows a drop of 12.5% to 646 million barrels." "Cur offered a Democrat (Markey) demanding the books be cooked for Obama," Just asked for accurate numbers. Do you question Platts? Numbers updated as of today. "yet Cur still can't show us what Obama has done to increase production.' Posted twice. "I'm sorry reality has harshed your spin." The only spin is yours. Federal lands oil production was higher in 2011 than 2009. Fact. I've answered your questions multiple times. Any chance you can answer mine. "what was my "original talking point"?".. ...or this request?... "feel free to provide independent verification of Mr. Boehner's assertions." Maybe you could explain why you provide no links to your sources? Are you not "smart" enough?

"The timeline from US News was produced by Bohner, but his sources for it were also cited." Two or three times, out of context, and no dates. Please provide the sources, so they can be verified. "“Oil and natural gas production on federal lands is down by more than 40 percent compared to 10 years ago." If true, not the fault of this administration. "The revised figures show a 15% rise in production, from 642 million barrels in 2009 to 739 million barrels in 2010" http://www.platts.com/RSSFeedDetailedNews/RSSFeed/Oil/6058110 And as mentioned before..."Addressing critics who say the United States could meet its energy needs through more drilling, Mr. Obama said his administration had opened millions of acres in 23 states to drilling, as well as an offshore area in the Gulf of Mexico that could yield 400 million barrels of oil." http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/16/us/politics/obama-defends-energy-policy.html Nary a link from STY.

"take a gander at where those students from the closed schools were tranferred to! Um, that would be to schools whose enrollments were declining!" Indian Hills MS had declining enrollment? Please provide stats.

"....Are you sure this is the reasoning for the school closings? Your article shows no such relationship between the two and makes no statement to support your view...." LL, there is no relationship between the two. It was a joke. The school funding issue is related to rural districts in the west.

Smarter Than Ewe- what was my "original talking point"? But to your request... "Addressing critics who say the United States could meet its energy needs through more drilling, Mr. Obama said his administration had opened millions of acres in 23 states to drilling, as well as an offshore area in the Gulf of Mexico that could yield 400 million barrels of oil." "America has been the world’s largest producer of natural gas since 2009. Use of renewable sources of energy, such as wind and solar, is still relatively small but has doubled since 2008. The report credits administration policies for the improvements. It cites initiatives like the higher fuel efficiency of passenger cars, the jump in renewable energy output, and improved weatherization of 1 million homes" http://bostonherald.com/business/general/view/20120312us_report_oil_imports_down_domestic_production_highest_since_2003 But this is worth noting... But more domestic drilling will not end the need for imports. The United States holds only 2 percent of the planet's proven oil reserves, but Americans consume 25 percent of the world's daily output of crude oil." http://old.post-gazette.com/pg/12073/1216273-84.stm One of Mr. Speaker's claims is 20,00 jobs. "5,000 Keystone Pipeline Jobs The U.S. Department of State, writing in an environmental impact statement, estimated the pipeline would create far fewer jobs that what the pipeline company, oil industry and project supporters in Congress suggest. The project, it said, “would result in hiring approximately 5,000 to 6,000 workers over the three-year construction period.” 2,500 Keystone Pipeline Jobs A Cornell University study projected far fewer pipeline jobs than another other source, citing TransCanada's own estimates to the U.S. government. "The project will create no more than 2,500-4,650 temporary direct construction jobs for two years, according to TransCanada’s own data supplied to the State Department," the university's Global Labor Institute wrote in report titled "Pipe Dreams." "The company’s claim that KXL will create 20,000 direct construction and manufacturing jobs in the U.S is not substantiated." The key finding from Cornell University was that many of the jobs claims coming from project supporters are linked to a $7 billion pipeline project. Scholars note that the budget that would have a bearing on U.S. jobs is "dramatically lower - only around $3 billion to $4 billion. A lower project budget means fewer jobs." Concluded Cornell: The pipeline project "will not be a major source of US jobs, nor will it play any substantial role at all in putting Americans back to work." http://uspolitics.about.com/od/energy/a/Are-Keystone-Pipeline-Jobs-Estimates-Just-Pipe-Dreams.htm "I provided sourcing;"-STY I suggest that is an outright falsehood. You claimed US News as the source of the timeline. AS I stated previously, the real source is John Boehner. I see no link in any of your posts in this thread.

"...not living in Kansas Currahee...I was just guessing on the school closures...I'd have to look into the city's reasoning to determine the actual factors in their decision....." Just guessing. I like that. SMSD was looking to save money. The district could, and would, raise revenue, but the state will not allow it. It seems that would be unfair to western Kansas. Instead, we will just turn western Kansas into eastern Kansas. Or is it the other way around? http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/14/3491239/kansas-house-committee-oks-redistricting.html

"Exactly which schools are closing in Overland Park?" Antioch Middle School for one. Not located in OP, but Mission Valley MS served OP students and it closed last year. MVMS did not have declining enrollment. Both school closures were protested.

Thanks for providing your source. For those that do not know, the source is John Boehner. I would never dismiss anything Mr. Speaker offers up. Irrespective of the implied logic fallacy, feel free to provide independent verification of Mr. Boehner's assertions.

""I must have missed your denial that the Obama administration has blocked other viable expansions of domestic oil production." Please elaborate." Thanks for elaborating. Not sure on what, but it wasn't about blocking oil production.

"I must have missed your denial that the Obama administration has blocked other viable expansions of domestic oil production." Please elaborate. Interesting article... "Then, on June 6, at the nationally televised Republican presidential debate in New Hampshire, former Sen. Rick Santorum claimed Obama "has put (up) a stop sign... against oil drilling, against any kind of exploration offshore or in Alaska." Now, the Pulitzer Prize-winning fact-checking news site, Politifact.com, has looked at Santorum's claim and has this to say: It's true that the Obama Administration pulled back the reins after the BP spill. But the administration has continued approving shallow-water wells, and it began to approve deep-water wells again after the moratorium was lifted six months ago. Just because the pace isn't as fast as some would like doesn't mean that Obama 'has put (up) a stop sign ... against oil drilling, against any kind of exploration offshore or in Alaska.' At most, it would be a yellow light, and Santorum's claim -- referring to curbs on "any kind" of exploration -- is over-broad. So we rate Santorum's claim False. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alaskadispatchcom/obama-alaska-oil_b_877884.html

"I must of missed the thinly disguised right-wing propaganda Sean speaks of....." Judging something on the basis of one instance? "Prickly City" author is Scott Stantis. The star regularly prints his right wing cartoons on...the editorial page.

"Yes production from existing sources is up," All sources are existing. If the meaning is new wells and techniques, well they are on the rise too. "North America appears headed for an oil renaissance, with crude production expected to hit an all-time high by 2016, given the current pace of drilling in the U.S. and Canada," http://www.chron.com/business/energy/article/N-American-oil-output-could-top-40-year-old-peak-2193837.php

Really Mark? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpFC9uziVhE&feature=related The video does not lie. Limbaugh was mocking Fox. Limbaugh claimed that Fox was either acting or he did not take his meds. Most likely, the movements were a result of medication. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/parkinsons-disease/DS00295/DSECTION=symptoms "Levodopa side effects include involuntary movements called dyskinesia." http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/parkinsons-disease/DS00295/DSECTION=treatments-and-drugs ""Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is also a White House dog?" — while holding up a photograph of 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton on his 1993 television show, Rush Limbaugh" http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1882947,00.html The following is a defense of Rush and the alleged incident. http://lyingliar.com/?p=17 Even if the defense is accurate, it's pretty weak. Regardless of which version is the true story, I find it to be vulgar. How about you Mark?

"You need to look a bit harder." No, you need to improve your reading comprehension. This is what I stated. "I can find no reliable, contemporaneous reporting of the incident." Your link is not even close to providing that.

"Joe the Plumber?" STY-spin this... "Losie said Wurzelbacher owes $1,182 from January 2007, but no action has been taken against him outside of filing the lien." http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Vote2008/story?id=6047360&page=1

"love your spin" What spin? I provided real numbers from a favorite pollster of the right. As for Oklahoma, I'm sure Obama will spend no time there as it has few electoral votes and is i shoe in for the GOP. Rachel Maddow? Who cares? "not only for his ideological position but he's just been such a character," Maddow lamented." Like I said, the Ron Paul of the left.

Oklahoma, the bellwether of presidential politics?? Kucinich is the Ron Paul of the left. Good to have him out. "President Bush was reelected in 2004 (with a majority of the popular vote, I might add), his approval rating stood at 48 percent." http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_james_e_campbell/response_anybody_s_ball_game As of today, total Obama approval is 49%. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history Are any of the GOP candidates as strong as an incredibly weak John Kerry?

I'm certainly not defending Maher, as he routinely makes nasty comments, including ones directed to Gov. Palin. That's only one reason I generally ignore him. However, the link provided isn't much of a source. I'm not saying Politico isn't credible, but the article makes a casual, unsupported reference to Maher using c... to describe Palin. I can find no reliable, contemporaneous reporting of the incident.

"With the Star, I couldn't get over the fact that I was reading articles and opinions that wouldn't have passed muster in my high school paper." For instance? "I noted that Maher had called Sarah Palin the C word" When and where with reliable source?

"1st, I don't believe most of those ads. They are after written and sponsered by lawyers." Doubtful that many are written by lawyers. To insinuate that most lawyers are deceitful is shameful. I know many lawyers, liberal and conservative, and I would not paint any as deceitful. I'm surprised that this thread received so little attention. "Let’s do away with all tax breaks,..." Really?

"Not a fan of Rush and don't listen," "as a conservative myself, I don't even listen to Limbaugh." I hear this all the time from conservatives. Just who does listen?

"Mr. Duncan basically states that journalism is usually two sided....because of opinion...." He says nothing of the sort. He basically states The Star is dishonest. The letter writer backs up his claim by citing opinion pieces. If his, and your, position is the editorial page leans left, I agree. If your opinion is something else, I would love to see the evidence.