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This was a great help, as I have been pondering some of thes ideas myself and discovered that some ideas proposed these days are sometimes overly simplistic. I am also wondering if some of Augustine's dualist ideas, which influenced so much of Western thought, was rather rooted in his former Manichäism rather than in platonic ideas - even though he seems to have incorperated more of the ideas of Plotinus, rather than Plato. And here as well, in some places Augustine doesn't sound dualistic at all, even though rhat's rare. Again, I think this article brings some needed balance to an area of oversimplification and extremes on borh sides of the spectrum - some of which I have been guilty of myself. Will look deeper into this...
What wise words! This has been an answer to some of the issues I've been going through right now...
Spot on! That's describing exactly where I am at right now concerning this very issue. And do you know what? It has opened up opportunities to share the Good News of Father's love in Christ that I could have never imagined. Self-Righteousness is still an issue, but as I learn to focus on His love, I can leave even this up to Him. The most wonderful thing about it is that I begin to see Jesus everywhere, as I myself begin to identify less with a label and actually begin to embrace the life instead. What wise words-thanks for sharing!
Very enlightening! I was just thinking that in the roman catholic background of my childhood I learned that there is no contradiction between Scripture and tradition, because the Bible is seen as part of the grreat tradition itself. And while this view might bring its own problems with it, its clear that the reformation didn't clear them up as most of the reformers employed their own interpretations to justify less than Christ-like behaviours. One just doesn't get around Jesus when interpreting Scripture. But then again, isn't that the point? And obviously Jesus Himself already encountered this issue Himself...
Brillian! It seems that the infernalist idea has blinded us so much that we don't even know anymore what the Gospel is all about, or why we became followers of Jesus in the first place - though I assume, for some of us it might have been a decision out of fear, a fire insurance so to speak. But what happens when Father's love casts out this fear? Is this maybe the reason why so many of us have a crisis of faith, especially later in life? Just thinking out loud. Besides, nowhere in Scripture is the Gospel presented of a 'how-to-get-to-heaven' scheme. Thanks for clarifying on this question!
Have been thinking a lot about this lately. For me, this is humanly impossible. Without the faith of Jesus in His Abba's love to raise Him from the dead, I honestly don't know to face all this violence like He did. Too much fear is involved and only His love - the actualy substance of it, not just the idea of it - can free me/us from this fear. Nevertheless, as long as we think there is an alternative to Jesus' way of the cross, we will never truly open up to this love. And ideas of the cross that make God the perpetuator of violence are only hindering me/us to actually take up my own cross and follow Him daily. Thanks for reminding us to follow the Lamb that was slain in His path of co-suffering love. It's the only hope of the world. Help us Lord Jesus!
Well, this seems to me a truly Christian response!!!
Brilliant! When I first encountered Father's love, the idea of penal substituion was the first one that flew out of the window as it simply didn't make any sense anymorea and I couldn't find it in Scripture anymore. It's so great to see how the early church confirms these deep spiritual instincts and how more and more people come into an understanding of Father's unfailing mercy...
Great! Just saw this video yesterday and thought that it might be something for the Clarion Journal. Am just reading the bloke's new book and had to think of the 'Listening Prayer and Social Justice' caphter. And its pretty funny too!:)
Thank you! This is probably the best advice everr writen to someone who contemplates joining any church tradition. Very helpful and truly Spirit-inspired!
I love this article - read it numerous times. It not only describes perfectly my own journey but also the thoughts that came with it. Just as the historical revelations of the other two Persons of the Trinity and their are still bringing new insights today, so the revelation of Father is still expanding and triggering new questions. The result is - I believe - going to be a fuller experience of the Trinity. For with the revelation of the Father came also a revelation of sonship and thus a turning o of the hearts of the sons to the father's - the early father's of the church and the questions they struggled with, that is. Scriptures just takes on such a bigger meaning when we consider the nature of its inspiration in this way. Actually I am blown away by its richness when seen through the lens of Christ as you described it in this article. Now I am also really looking forward to the new book!
Wow! That was just beautiful to read...
I wish John Tauler's writings would be better known here in Germany. We live only a few minutes away from where he lived and taught, yet most Christians in our area never heard of him. Yet, he was certainly ahead of his time.
YES!!! Love's certainly about time...(the Brennan Manning quote just says it all).
Very enligthning!!! Will probably read it again and again...
Great actice! That was quite obvious to me when I first picked up the Bible about 25 years ago. Since then I've seen many Christians avoid this issue, but the Bible itself says: 'No one knows the Father but the Son...' That's actually the very essence of Christianity. Jesus is the full revelation of Who our Abba is, everything else is just simply a 'in part' revelation. A quote from George MacDonald comes to mind: "All those evil doctrines about God that work misery and madness have their origin in the brains of the wise and prudent, not in the hearts of children."
Fascinating!!! Can't believe how much my thinking in this area - or a lot of other areas - has come into agreement with much of the thought of the early church father's. I found some similarities also in the teachings of some of the catholic mystics. Thank you for keeping the conversation going!
Yeeessss! This confirms so much what I've been getting while meditating on this particular piece of Scripture - and it makes so far more sense in its overall context. Thanks so much for sharing!
Interesting! A friend just gave me a copy of Richard Bauckham's 'Jesus and the Eye-Witnesses'. Great stuff!
Great articel! I found that one argues from the Bible about universal reconciliation a lot of traditionalists say that this is not a traditional position and must therefore be rejected. When one argues from church history the accusation that one believes in the mere words of mortal men instead in the authority of Scripture is very quickly dished out. So you can never win. This is not always the case but most of the time, I found. Having read most of Pinnock's works just recently I am still amazed that he never brought up the possibility of universal restoration and seemed to be quite opposed to it in some was. But then again, I think it makes kind of sens in the light of how he viewed 'free will'. Still love his focus on the relational nature of God. Blessings, Florian