And there's only one thing worse in my eyes than PHP, and that's Wordpress PHP. Take all the awful things about the language (and none of the good stuff, even in PHP4) then smoosh it up along with your own horrid procedural concepts like "the loop", document only half of it, get hundreds of developers to add their tuppence-worth, then smugly tell the world you power 22% of the web. Arrrgggghhhh. It could be so much better with a rewrite, but they don't have the balls!