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Still wonder what will eventually cost less for all weather extended range (500 miles) electrified vehicles: 1) 165+ kWh ultra quick charge, mass produced battery pack or 2) 100+ kWh ultra quick refill, mass produced FC with H2 tank. The large battery pack would probably weight a lot more and take much longer to refill. The battery pack would probably fit better under the floor. When and if H2 will be extracted from water, with ceramic membranes, with very little or no lost and without CO2, H2 cost could approach REs.
Hyundai/Kia is a progressive manufacturer and getting better every year. Their worldwide market share is widening.
Electrification of ground vehicles is long overdue in India? Otherwise, too many will be sick and die from pollution?
Have more $$$ = will buy larger vehicles = will consume more Oil = will produce more pollution and GHGs?
Ultra quick charging facilities (under 15 minutes) for extended range BEVs and quicker H2 refills facilities (under 5 minutes) for FCEVs (large and small) will become common place in many places by 2025 or so. The purchase/use of BEVs or FCEVs will be to best meet users specific requirements. H2 cost/price will eventually be closer to the average price of clean electricity and cheaper than polluting diesel or gasoline.
When and if smart affordable membranes can/could eventually separate H2 from water and/or various gas, at no or small loss with little or small CO2 emission, the H2 economy would get a major boast? H2 production and storage facilities (of various sizes) could eventually take place in a million + places and AD-FCEVs could run 24/7 with reduced pollution and GHGs.
Seems to be a serious attempt to progressively switch from ICEVs (Diesel and Gasoline) to BEVs. Tesla will soon have competition from multiple sources. Huge demands will contribute to batteries faster evolution?
Methane in currently plentiful and can be produced on an ongoing basis in large quantities with domestic/industrial wastes, agriculture and forestry by products etc. Carbon is usable by many industries. H2 could easily be stored and/or distributed to industry and for FCEVs? Would the net (H2) cost be much lower than from electrolysis?
Next decade (2020-2030) may see the arrival of the first generation 3X to 4X batteries and electrified high-prized, all weather, long range SUVs, Pick-ups and trucks. Smaller high prized EV cars will also become available. Lower priced similar BEVs may have to wait a few years for mass produced batteries price to come down. Many small e-planes will also be available by 2030 or so. Many new ultra quick 450+ KW public charging facilities together with REs will be installed.
Another hand to TESLA for: 1) A first generation long haul e-truck with 500 miles range. 2) A next generation super 620 miles range Roadster. Those two units will more than match equivalent ICE versions, except for range. Quick charging stations will have to supply up to 400 KW instead of 150 KW. It is doable now. One advantage for going electric is that batteries price, size and weight will progressively go down by about 8%/year making both units more competitive in the near future.
An ideal situation is a grid supplied with easily varied Hydro energy and loads of complementary Solar/Wind REs. With such an ideal situation, surplus/excess Solar/Wind energy could be reduced to off peak night and week ends hours. However, that still leaves a lot of production hours when all 3 clean energy sources could be available for clean low cost H2 production. In our area, Hydro/Wind sources generate enough yearly profits (close $4.0B) to finance extensive clean H2 station networks at an accelerate rate, in the next 10 years or so.
Excellent news, specially for EU e-bus manufacturers. More battery manufacturers the better.
This is a very slow start. Toyota's sales are rising very fast? Sales will rise when the other 20 majors will board the trains.
Excellent/Good idea but up to 3 hours to recharge batteries is way too long. Too much time will be lost.
Excellent news for near future FCEVs including Nikola's new FC trucks. Will Nikola be to FC trucks what Tesla is to BEVs? Will the first H2 routes/networks be in California or along a North/South major highway linking Mexico and Canada?
Wish them the very best and a new powerful battery by 2020.
A hand to Tesla for opening the way with 150 KW (medium speed) charging facilities. However, tomorrows batteries will accept much quicker charges and ABB's 350+ KW chargers will soon become a must to quickly recharge larger (120 to 150 kWh) packs.
Since compact, affordable, longer lasting (20,000+ hrs) FCs and on board low cost H2 tanks are a reality the only thing holding massive production and sales of FCEVs (all sizes) are clean H2 station networks. More research and funds are required to integrate Hydro/Solar/Wind clean energy generation together with H2 generation/storage and distribution. Germany and California are showing the way but a few hundred more States, Cities and Countries should soon board the train? Progressive vehicle manufacturers are contributing but it is not fast enough. Power (e-energy) producers should get involved in all 50 States and many other countries.
More cities should be involved in curbside and parking EV charging facilities, for the 50% + potential BEV users without home charging facilities.
As with TESLAs, their fast chargers are probably limited to 150 KW or less. However, 350+KW quick chargers are being installed in EU.
I agree with CE88 that more REs could create the surplus/excess e-energy required to feed a clean H2 network. Adding more REs to meet growing demands should not be a major problem. Recent Japanese vertical type wind mills/turbines can withstand hurricane type winds. Coupled with solar panels, it could be well suited for States and Islands around the Golf of Mexico. Local grids/distribution power lines should be underground where high speed winds and hurricanes are frequent.
BEVs penetration will depend a lot on batteries increased performance and lower cost. Miles/Km traveled is something else. It will not drop with cheaper miles with EVs but it may go up unless e-buses, e-trains and e-planes play a much wider role?
FCs are moving in for new passenger trains. Siemens et al will soon offer FC/e-trains with 1000 Km range without overhead cables. Chinese, French, So-Korean and Japanese rails will not be far behind. Long range Class 8 FC/e-trucks and buses will also hit the market place in the early 2020s. More will have to be done to distribute clean H2 generated with surplus/excess REs. Germany, Japan and California are leading but others will have to board the train.
Automated temperature and humidity control could increase overall performance and durability of future fuel cells?
This will be a major development of Fuel Cells for electric trains without costly/unsightly overhead cables. Existing diesel/electric and pure e-locomotives could be converted. An H2 refill station every 1000 Km would normally be enough. Suburban trains could refill at main stations only when passengers are embarking/disembarking. Clean H2 could be generated from surplus/excess REs.