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Nice to see your typekey ID works over here. :::dustbowl blows by::: So, who is in charge of the trade machine in these parts??
Toggle Commented Feb 9, 2010 on Mending Fences in Miami at Heat Check
"Never has one of the top 3 players in the NBA left their team during free agency." Dude, you live in Orlando... come on!!
So....this deal of Amare for JO, we obviously need to bring back some salaries to make this work. I wonder who we want? Posted by: Adam | January 28, 2010 at 10:16 AM You could swap JO and either Q Rich or Haslem for Amare and Jason Richardson. (1) If the Suns are seriously discussing Amare for JO then they're just looking to scrap the entire thing and start over. Freeing them of Jason Richardson's $14 million deal would do that. (2) If the Heat trades for Amare 2010 is no more, so they may as well take on additional salary. Richardson is a good one on one scorer, can play both wing positions, and has the athletic ability to be a good defender. I'd be kind of worried about the Heat finding a way to work it all out though. Would Wade be put on the floor with these guys in the 4th or would it be something like Amare, Haslem, Wright, Wade, and Alston? Would the offense be able to take advantage of Richardson's offensive gifts? Ideally we'd swap Haslem so we could go with a front court rotation of Stoudemire, Beasley, and Anthony. Something like Amare, Beasley for 8 minutes. Anthony Anthony comes in and Stoudemire moves to PF for 4 minutes. Then Beasley comes back in and Amare goes to the bench for 4 minutes. Then we're back to Amare and Beasley. Sprinkle in some Magloire there and you'd end up with a rotation of Amare (36mpg), Beasley (35mpg), Anthony (20mpg), and Magloire (5mpg).
** I meant swapping Q Rich with Jason Richardson.
Miami Heat's Jermaine O'Neal could be dealt for Amare Stoudemire http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/basketball/story/1450113.html ------------------- We should really do this. Both are expiring contracts and Amare is a huge upgrade over JO. Posted by: WadeLikesHisShots | January 28, 2010 at 09:22am If we do this I would throw in additional expirings to match up to Richardson's contract. It might sweeten the pot for the Suns if they're really looking to clean house. Something like JO, Richardson, multiple picks for Stoudemire, Richardson. As long as the Heat keep Beasley they don't really need any 1st round picks the next couple of years. Alston/Wade/Chalmers Wade/Richardson/Chalmers Richardson/Beasley Beasley/Haslem Stoudemire/Anthony/Haslem Looks pretty damn good to me and we'd have the flexibility of Richardson's expiring the next season for another upgrade.
JO sucks, but we all knew this before he was traded here. Also, the Bulls are only .5 games behind the Heat in the standings.
Heat now 2-6 in Jan when Beasley plays less than 35 minutes, 5-2 when he plays at least 35, and 6-2 when he plays more than 30. Hopefully he's not out long. On the flip side, we're only 2 games out of the John Wall race. Could you imagine a lineup of John Wall, Wade, MAX FA, Beasley, and $8 mil for a center? Or do you think Heat culture would still find a way to f7 it up?
I think that the root of the problem is that as basketball fans some of us prefer our team to win, while others prefer our time to lose. Perhaps you guys could enlighten me the pleasures of losing? The Heat have done a lot of it the past two years and I really haven't gotten much enjoyment from any of it.
Exactly. That is why we should be playing Haslem more than 27 mpg. Posted by: eddieomaha | January 27, 2010 at 01:32 PM Just remember, you brought Haslem into this discussion... not me. The Heat are 2-4 this month when Haslem plays over 27 minutes. They are 5-3 when he plays under 27 minutes. Kind of funny how when Haslem's minutes go up the Heat's winning percentage goes down, as Haslem's minutes go down the Heat's winning percentage goes up. On the flip side, as Beasley's minutes go up the Heat's winning percentage goes up, when his minutes go down the Heat's winning percentage goes down.
Actually, if it was up to me I would play him. I want to see what he can do. Spo pulls him for any mistake that he makes late.Haslem is also kind of reliable, so it's a problem. Posted by: JD | January 27, 2010 at 01:31 PM Good thing Riley has Spoelstra on a longer leash or else we would be complaining about Coach Rothstein.
The Heat are 1-6 this month when Beasley plays less than 30 minutes. I'm not a basketball genius like williams46, but I'd say your second best player not playing over 30 minutes might have something to do with the team only winning 1 out of 7 games.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=3418 JD, check out his game logs. He's not exactly playing big minutes in blowouts either. He only played over 35 minutes in one "blowout" (greater than 10 points) loss in January. There is a correlation between Beasley playing over 30 minutes and the Heat winning (5-2) and the Heat losing when he plays under 30 minutes (2-5). You can take it for whatever you like, but IMO the team with the betters player on the court usually wins and I'd say a guy putting up 21ppg, 8rpg on 51% shooting when he gets over 35 minutes is a pretty good player. But, maybe you disagree. Posted by: JB (working on my sugar intake) | January 27, 2010 at 01:22 PM
Also, if the game is out of reach already, what difference does it make that Beasley plays more. The game would still be won by the Heat if they are winning big no matter if beasley is in or out. Posted by: JD | January 27, 2010 at 01:17 PM The point is WHY do you think the game is out of reach? You're saying it has nothing to do with the guy who is putting up 21ppg, 8.5rpg.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=3418 JD, check out his game logs. He's not exactly playing big minutes in blowouts either. He only played over 35 minutes in one "blowout" (greater than 10 points) loss in January. There is a correlation between Beasley playing over 30 minutes and the Heat winning (5-2) and the Heat losing when he plays under 30 minutes (2-5). You can take it for whatever you like, but IMO the team with the betters player on the court usually wins and I'd say a guy putting up 21ppg, 8rpg on 51% shooting when he gets over 35 minutes is a pretty good player. But, maybe you disagree.
"I think that when the game is a blowout Beasley has no problem scoring in the 4th. When the game is close though, it's a different story in the minutes that he does play." I guess if he ever played in a close game we'd find out.
You are kidding with that comparison I hope. You were talking about his minutes and how in January the more he played, the more they won. I am telling you that he got those minutes because of the game being out of reach. How many of those points were scored with the game long decided. Those stats mean nothing, no matter how many times you post them. Even if the stats were meaningful the sample size is too small. Posted by: JD | January 27, 2010 at 12:14 PM JD, if the game is a blowout was do you think it had more to do with the guy who put up 21 points and 8 rebounds or was the game out of reach because of the guys who put up 14 points, 6 rebounds; 8 points, 8 rebounds; or the guy putting up 4 points and 4 rebounds? The games were blowouts because someone other than Wade was contributing. Of course the Heat isn't going to blow another team out when JO, Richardson, and Haslem get more minutes than Beasley. It's going to be a close game because no one other than Wade can put points on the board. I agree the sample size is small, but I don't have time to do the entire season in between delivering pizzas. Another thing I don't understand is that it's said Beasley gets off to a hot start and puts up impressive numbers in the first quarter, but then fizzles out in the second half so he can't play big minutes. But, when he puts up 21ppg, 8.5rpg on 51% in the games he plays over 35 minutes you guys say he is doing it because he is playing when the game has been "long decide" during "garbage time". I'm confused... Is he putting up big numbers at the start of the game and tiring in the 2nd half or is he putting up big numbers in the 2nd half during "garbage time" when the "game is already decided"? Both of these comments cannot be correct because each one is a direct contridiction of the other.
Are you Josh now with those useless stats?Beaseley played garbage minutes in blowout wins and you act like he won those games or something. In close games, he doesn't play in the 4th. Sometimes they win and aometimes they lose those. But they had like 4 blowout wins recently, so you just use those games to show that when Beasley plays garbage minutes, the Heat win? Posted by: JD | January 27, 2010 at 11:42 AM I wasn't using the stats to prove anything. You can draw your own conclusions from them. If Beasley is indeed putting up big numbers in "blowouts" I fail to see how this is a problem. (1) I think winning a "blowout" is a good thing. And, (2) I think guy who is putting up 21 points and 8 rebounds probably has more to do with his team "blowing out" other teams than a guy putting up 8 points, 8 rebounds; 4 points, 2 rebounds; 14 points, 7 rebounds; etc, etc. It's like saying Jordan's 30 plus PPG Finals average had nothing to do with the Bulls winning 6 rings or that Kobe Bryant's 30ppg has nothing to do with the Lakers having the best record in the NBA. I don't think a guy putting up impressive numbers on a winning team is a bad thing, but maybe you disagree.
JB, could you post those stats again? Posted by: eddieomaha | January 27, 2010 at 11:34 AM Don't worry, I probably will tomorrow, Friday, and then Monday. I like to take the weekends off.
You know.. I don't really care. I'm just tired of the, "Beasley is the 3rd best power forward in the East", "Beasley is Antawn Jamison right now", "we should keep Beasley because San Antonio kept Tim Duncan", etc. Every loss is due to Beasley not getting to play enough. I mean, you guys say more outlandish sh*t than me. Posted by: eddieomaha | January 27, 2010 at 11:22 AM I don't agree with the statements above, but the facts are the facts. Here they are again incase you missed them earlier... For the month of Jan the Heat are 6-2 in games Beasley plays more than 30 minutes and 5-2 in the games Beasley plays more than 35 miinutes. The Heat are 1-5 in the games Beasley plays less than 30 minutes and 2-5 in the games that Beasley plays less than 35 minutes. The Heat's total team record for the month of Jan is 7-7. In the 8 games in January where Beasley played more than 30 minutes his averages are 20.8ppg, 8.5rpg, and 51% fg percentage in 37.3 minutes per game. For the month of January, Beasley has played 7 games over 35 minutes with the Heat having a 70% winning percentage in those games. He has played 7 games under 35 minutes with the Heat having a 30% winning percentage. The avg of 70% and 30% is 50%. The Heat's current winning percentage is 52%. You can draw your own conclusions from the facts that have been presented.
"Beasley only gets big minutes in blow outs." .... Because we all know by basketball logic the second best player on the team has nothing to do with the a team blowing out another team. Pippen (with Jordan), Kareem (with Magic), McHale (with Bird), and Kobe (with Shaq) contributed nothing to their teams winning. We all know those teams won inspite of their second best player, not because of anything they actually did on the court!
You think Love would be the Heat's 2nd best player, but have no comment on Beasley avg'ing 21ppg, 8.5rpg on 51% fg and the Heat winning 70% of their games when Beasley plays over 35 minutes? I mean, let's give Beasley some credit here... he's putting up impressive numbers when he gets big minutes AND his team is winning. The team is 2-5 when he plays under 30 minutes. When Beasley plays 35 minutes the Heat win and he does well. We're all happy except for Spoelstra.
Eddie, you make a lot of good points. Borat voice: ..... NOT!!
Everyone should keep rooting for Curry to keep tearing it up in GSW and Ellis to stay out as long as possible. GSW will probably get cabin fever like they did with everyone else and sell Ellis to the lowest bidder. Not necessarily the Heat, but an Ellis trade(as long as he goes to a playoff team) could spur more activity. Posted by: FMB(Heat reflects Spo - SADLY) | January 27, 2010 at 09:25 AM Stop teasing me with Ellis. If anything I could see the Celtics, Cavs, Magic, Knicks, Raptors, or Hawks getting him before the Heat.
"Okay..." Tells me Wade has more control over the team than the Coach. I don't think you'll ever win a championship with a team were the players don't respect the coach. Does Spo care more about winning or keeping his job? Heat culture FTW!
BEASLEY SITS Tuesday's mending process also left Miami's second-leading scorer, power forward Michael Beasley, dealing with another late-game absence. After a missed assignment led to an Anderson Varejao layup, Beasley was replaced by Quentin Richardson with 7:39 left and did not return. The move left Miami without one of its better scoring options down stretch. ``It hurts. Not hurts, but I want to be in,'' Beasley said, trying to find the right words. ``But coach would rather go with the vets. You can't be mad at the decision he's making. But at the same time, I'd rather be in there.'' Spoelstra defended his decision to stay with the frontcourt of Jermaine O'Neal and Udonis Haslem because they were productive late, and with Richardson because of his potential to stretch the floor with his shooting. ``Those are just decisions you have to make,'' Spoelstra said. ``You live with them. Mike will get his chance.'' Posted by: BrIx | January 27, 2010 at 01:35 AM The Heat is in far worse shape than I imagined. On this play Z had Wade on him in the best. Beasley left Varejao to double Z, Varejao cut and Richardson did not rotate over. Does anyone really doubt that if it was Haslem leaving Varejao to double on Z and Beasley did not rotate that Beasley would be the one getting blamed for not rotating? My faith is gone. Is it possible Shaq was right all along?