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Well I suppose it's implied that the question is actually "Which actor played the Doctor for the longest period - out of these four? Otherwise it's Tom Baker for consecutive years, or if we're talking first to last appearance, then Davison takes it at 26 years if we include Time Crash just pipping Pertwee at 23 years including Dimensions In Time. If you prefer to include only full episodes - Troughton still beats McCoy at 19 years including The Two Doctors. Just sayin' ;-)
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OK, so it's not exactly on topic, but I got a laugh out of this blogpost's comparison between the plot holes on Doctor Who with the laughably unbelievable series "World War II" on the History Channel. http://squid314.livejournal.com/275614.html (found via Boing Boing - I know, I know I should get a life ...)
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@Supervoc7 4. The post-dancing past in which the Doctor DID exist more or less as we saw him and Rory never died or became an Auton. I'm fine with the idea that he remembers these things, that they all do...but did they happen? The events of (say) "The Hungry Earth / Cold Blood" were mostly unaffected by the cracks, but the Angels were swallowed by one and the Saturnyne came through another. In THIS past, how did those events unfold? That's what I'm trying to figure out. Maybe the Doctor thought of something else in this version of history? Hmm, I'm thinking the first three episodes happened more or less the same way. There was no crack in Amy's wall, so there was no Prisoner Zero and no Atraxi and the Doctor didn't invite Amy along for exactly the same reason, but as a Timelord he is sensitive to alternate timelines, so he may have decided there was something odd about Amy anyway. After Victory of the Daleks, since this version of Amy isn't as insecure, she doesn't make a pass at the Doctor so there is no need to grab Rory and they don't go to Venice - which is fine since the Saturnyne aren't there either. Amy's Choice could have played out the same way except with Rory being part of the illusion(s). As for the Angels I agree he must have done something else - perhaps he was able to hold them off for longer using the extra soldiers that didn't vanish and that gave him time to come up with something. Hungry Earth and Cold Blood play out the same way except Rory isn't there so he doesn't get killed. As does Vincent And The Doctor where the only change is Amy doesn't cry. Ditto with The Lodger - the only change is no Engagement Ring. None of the events in the last two episodes happened, since they're all tied to the exploding TARDIS. Maybe they just have a picnic next to the oldest words in the universe, which now say something infinitely more profound (like maybe "We apologise for the inconvenience" ;-)
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> I sadly suspect that we're being asked not to think too hard about the briefly Doctor-free universe [...] My take on this (I'm going to avoid using the FW word, apparently it's childish - who knew? ;-) is that although in one sense the universe-without-the-doctor always existed, in another sense it was created on the 26th June 2010 as a result of the Doctor's own actions. So the 26th June 2010 in some sense has *two* pasts, where the alternative without-the-doctor past suddenly appears having been created "retroactively". As such the alternative past, whatever it contains, must logically lead up to the same present as was already established by the "real" past. Which is not to say that the alternative past cannot have some influence, for example Rory gets to live again thanks to the (entirely different!) alternative past where the cracks never existed, but in general major events in Earth's history must somehow end up working out the same. (I like to think I'm getting quite good at this Fanw... errmm I mean devotee-based extemporising ;-)
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@Rich: I think you're the second person to suggest Amy married Plastic Rory. She didn't - she married Real Rory, who never died because up until the wedding the Doctor had never existed, so he didn't go with the Doctor and didn't get killed. With me so far? When Amy remembered the Doctor he was restored along with his history ... or at least his history up to the Eleventh Hour, since they are now in a universe where the cracks never existed so Amy's Mum and Dad still exist. Apparently Amy and Rory's memories of their travels in the TARDIS were also restored but those adventures are now on an alternate timeline so they never happened as such which is why Rory gets to stay alive.
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The machine in The Lodger may have been there just to reinforce the "House that's bigger than it should be" meme.
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Well I was aiming for a law of nature - I can't see the Doctor feeling he was bound to respect the other sort. Nevertheless, just to prove you can technobabble your way around anything ... we could decide that the link between the Doctor and the TARDIS is somehow Quantum in nature so although the effect somehow interferes with ordinary time travel devices, the Angels unique Quantum nature allows them to bypass the restriction ;-)
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I could also argue that a Weeping Angel isn't a device and the Doctor didn't "use" it - but I'd be probably be desperately reaching ;-) Oh well, it was a nice idea while it lasted...
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For some reason (I'm in a frivolous mood today) I felt the need to take this as a Fanwank Challenge ;-) Suppose that, once bonded with a TARDIS, a Timelord cannot use another time device except to travel to the location of his TARDIS. I think this rule covers Sound of Drums, Genesis of the Daleks and even Twin Dilemma if you want to stretch a point. (In Utopia the Master used the Doctor's TARDIS - I'm going to allow for this by assuming the Master's link to his TARDIS was previously removed somehow, perhaps during the Time War) Can anyone think of any instance of the Doctor using a Time travel device in a way that breaks this rule? In the meantime - Fanwank Challenge - regular feature - whaddya think?
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Yes, your version is probably just as likely, although I think my version is more fun ;-) OTOH, I wouldn't mind being wrong about the whole reset button aspect as on reflection I think it would be a bit crass if we got a complete revision of history (obviously some revision is pretty much a given - Rory and Amy will probably pop back into existence/life, the Tardis won't be destroyed etc.) Well, we'll find out next week ;-)
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> Like, why was River Song already in the Stormcage Containment Facility? In our previous encounter, the impression was that she’d been sent down for killing a good man, the implication being that it would be the Doctor and in this finale, and yet here she is already kissing the penitentiary You're not thinking timey-wimey as Doc Brown never said ... There's no reason why River couldn't be banged up for killing the Doctor then later escape, go back in time and actually commit the crime (presumably then returning to her contemporary cell to wait for ToA, while also leaving the rap for the murder to her earlier self). Of course we'll probably never know exactly how this would've worked out, since presumably the whole timeline gets rewritten next episode. Aw crap, it's going to be a reset button! (but we'll probably forgive it if it's a well executed timey-wimey one).
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was it an evil killer or a poor, frightened wretch? Even the Doctor didn’t seem to be able to make up his mind. This may have part of the point of identifying the creature using the "useless" doohickey instead of relying on the Doctors encyclopedic knowledge - the gadget describes the creature as a vicious predator, but it later transpires that this information was bogus. Oh and finally ... an invisible creature that is correctly blind!
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>What other moments in previous episodes are fans postulating might be visits from a future Doctor?< I'll throw in the scene from the end of Eleventh Hour where young Amy is sat on her case waiting for the doctor to return when she hears the TARDIS' engines. It cuts to older Amy waking up and we *assume* she was dreaming ... but was she? Maybe the thing Future Doctor wants Amy to remember is his promise that he would be five minutes, because he intends to keep that promise?
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Just a few random comments for parts 1 and 2 ... It still makes no sense that the Master would choose such a convoluted way to come back from the dead, when he could have just regenerated in LOTT when he had the chance. So basically the Timelords had pretty much the same idea as Davros but with a SG1-Ancients style ascension tacked on for good measure. I predicted it would be Wilf doing the knock-four-times bit. (Ok I only predicted it inside my head and some will say that doesn't count - but I don't care!) Damon says above he remembers when the Doctor would sacrifice himself for a single person - prophetic or what? The Doctor having a tantrum because he doesn't want to give up his current incarnation - because he has already decided what he must do. Just how long can the Doctor hold back a regeneration? It must have taken him hours to take care of all those little errands. That Ood bloke again? Seriously? How come the Ood can still reach across time and space even after Rassilon's plan has been scuppered? Is it just me or was the regeneration scene just crappier than Eccleston->Tennant? I remember some nice touches last time - like the veins in the Doctor's neck reconfiguring themselves and his hair growing in. This time it was mostly Tennant with Matt just bursting out at the last second.
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One nice touch I liked - without the Tardis the Doctor can understand and speak all languages, but is unable to share that gift with his companion. Clarifies the "the doctor must be part of the circuit" bit in Christmas Invasion and kinda brings it into line with old-Who canon (Masque of Mandragora IIRC) In amongst all the plot-holes it's good to see the occasional bit of consistancy ;-)
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> drives like a hologram from a bad Glen A. Larson television series I didn't think AutoMan was that bad ... admittedly I was probably at that age where I would happily lap up anything vaguely sci-fi...
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Looks like there's only one level of threading, so it should be OK. It seems to have buggered up the ordering though - hopefully this is because it was changed to threading in the middle rather than from the get-go?
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Did you try hovering over your default avatar image on this comment? A popup should appear with an Edit Profile link on it. That's how I did it anyway.
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A couple of suggestions re: Logins Is it possible to put a login form at the bottom of the comments in Typepad, instead of a link to a login page? Would be more convenient. I'm pleased to note you are still allowing people to read other's comments without logging in ... please don't change this! - for me that's one of the most annoying things about DW Forum.
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