I listened to the radio interview. He did not explain why milk is bad for your heart. If you take out the fat (fully skimmed) you are left with protien, vitamins and calcium. He dis say in fact milk consumption had a negative effect on calcium but you could take calcium pills. Also he does not say why in some of these 3rd world cultures where they have little or no heart disease it is ok for them to consume fish and meat but not us. Is it the amount? but he says NO meat or fish not Little meat or fish.