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Brent, you're probably right. There were a variety of ages given on passenger lists for García; this is the oldest I could find. When he died in 1923 his age was reported as 55, which coincided, so for now 1868 it is. But he's probably 3 or 4 years older than that, I'd think. Valentín González is a similar case; passenger lists have him born in about 1876, but that would make him 14 on his Cuban League debut in 1890. We need better Cuban sources.
all-cubans, plus more luis padrón
An email from David Skinner: Hi Gary, I'm not sure who was the first modern researcher to “discover” it, but All Cubans/Cuban Stars owner Abel Linares, writing in the 1911 Spalding Baseball Guide Spanish-American Edition (yes Yogi, it’s deja vu all over again), discusses the genesis of the 1899 ...
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Mar 15, 2010
Isn't there some kind of software that allows you to superimpose old maps on current ones? Of course I guess you could do something like that with Photoshop or Gimp or something...
negro league ballparks in pittsburgh, updated
I updated my Google Map of Negro league ballparks in Pittsburgh to take into account the different locations of the two Ammon Fields, the actual location of the Greenlee Field diamond (from Geri Strecker), and the confirmed location of Central Park. View Negro League Ballparks in Pittsburgh i...
Incidentally, I really don't know how complete the list of interracial games in Washington in the 1870s is. I have certainly not scoured the microfilm of D.C. newspapers in the early 1870s. The Washington Post wasn't founded until 1877, and the digitized Washington Star from Paper of Record is not especially user-friendly, so I could easily be missing a lot.
olympics/alerts 1869: consequences
Bill Mullins comments about the Olympics/Alerts contest in 1869 that “apparently there were some repercussions for the Olympics for having played a black team.” Bill quotes a September 22, 1869, article in the Washington, D.C., Daily National Intelligencer and Washington Express): It is currentl...
Also, rather than parsing the language of a brief newspaper item, it might be useful to step back and think about the most obvious facts here. The Olympics play the Alerts, and the match, unlike most games between Washington clubs, is given quite a bit of publicity (receiving mentions in newspapers from Baltimore to Boston) for the very reason that it's a game between black and white teams. Then, a club cancels its game with the Olympics--not because of any difficulty in scheduling or travel arrangements or disagreement about the receipts or whatever--but expressly because they had played the Alerts.
Leaving aside the Alerts being a non-convention club, how often was a game called off because one team objected to the other's previous opponents?
olympics/alerts 1869: consequences
Bill Mullins comments about the Olympics/Alerts contest in 1869 that “apparently there were some repercussions for the Olympics for having played a black team.” Bill quotes a September 22, 1869, article in the Washington, D.C., Daily National Intelligencer and Washington Express): It is currentl...
David, a few thoughts. One is that of course right now we only have this scrap of text, so it's hard to say for sure what it really means, and whether or not it fairly represents the Marylands' views. For example, there could have been disagreement among the players or directors of the Maryland Club about the issue, and the "non-convention club" language represented some kind of compromise.
More likely in my opinion they were unembarrassed about their racial attitudes, but didn't want to insult the Olympics too explicitly. (The two clubs would go on to play each other four times in 1870.) In 1869 it was not a trivial matter to accuse whites of associating too closely with blacks, and so the Marylands softened their criticism of the Olympics by adding the bit about playing a non-Association club while still making their point.
olympics/alerts 1869: consequences
Bill Mullins comments about the Olympics/Alerts contest in 1869 that “apparently there were some repercussions for the Olympics for having played a black team.” Bill quotes a September 22, 1869, article in the Washington, D.C., Daily National Intelligencer and Washington Express): It is currentl...
Mark, the above post is probably the best I can do right now. If you're interested in the Bears, I'd suggest checking out the Chicago Defender, which featured quite a bit of coverage of them in both 1920 and 1921; and also maybe the Brooklyn Daily Eagle, NY Evening Telegram, and possibly New Jersey and Philadelphia papers from those years, too.
tesreau’s bears and “the first real threat to organized baseball”
If you’re interested in minor league research, you should check out Carlos Bauer’s blog. He put up a series of good posts recently on independent minor leagues, which are usually ignored by historians. His posts are about the early 1920s in particular, when independent circuits, many of them i...
Actually I think the photo with the baseball field shows the site of yet another housing development called Terrace Village, which was south of the Central Park location between Centre and Fifth Avenues. (The project built on the Greenlee Field & Ammon Playground site is called Bedford Dwellings.) The baseball backstop in the photo is I think part of Kennard Playground, which still exists and has a baseball or softball diamond (though I'm not sure if it's still on exactly the same location as in the photo). Here's a link to another photo of the Terrace Village location:
http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?view=entry;subview=detail;cc=accd;entryid=X-MSP285.B012.F15.I07;viewid=ACCD2547.TIF
ammon field
As I mentioned the other day, it turns out that the current Josh Gibson Field (formerly Ammon Field) is actually a block west of the old Ammon Field where Gibson played his earliest professional baseball for the Crawfords in 1929 and 1930. Here is the 1929 City of Pittsburgh Geodetic and Topogr...
Thanks, Bill -- the aerial photos are really interesting (I wish they were higher res, though). I'll post the view of the Central Park site later today.
ammon field
As I mentioned the other day, it turns out that the current Josh Gibson Field (formerly Ammon Field) is actually a block west of the old Ammon Field where Gibson played his earliest professional baseball for the Crawfords in 1929 and 1930. Here is the 1929 City of Pittsburgh Geodetic and Topogr...
I am *really* looking forward to your book...
“certainly our ball players are professionals” : the 25th infantry wreckers, hawaii, 1915
Patrick Rock has come up with some fascinating material on the Twenty-Fifth Infantry Wreckers in Hawaii during the teens. The Twenty-Fifth was one of the four all-black Army regiments (also including the Twenty-Fourth Infantry and the Ninth and Tenth Cavalry) known collectively as the “Buffalo ...
Great minds think alike, obviously!
I'd love to see those aerial photos.
central park, pittsburgh 1920-25
Recently, during the Jerry Malloy Negro Leagues Conference in Pittsburgh, an historical marker was dedicated on the site of Greenlee Field, 1930s home of the Pittsburgh Crawfords. Admittedly it’s hard to distill historical significance into two or three sentences pithy enough to fit on a mar...
Certainly could be. McGlynn, btw, allowed only 6 home runs in his entire major league career, but gave up 4 in this game. And at least two of Wilson's were over-the-fence home runs, though who knows how big the Chester park was.
I just wish I knew more about Wilson. About all I've got is a passenger list from December 1903 that gives his age then as 25.
stoney mcglynn vs. cuban X giants, 1902
Looking for something else entirely I ran across this account of a 1902 game between the Cuban X Giants and the local team in Chester, Pennsylvania. On the mound for Chester was Stoney McGlynn, a minor league superstar and sometime St. Louis Cardinal who is supposed to have been a distant relati...
Bremer was also listed with the Louisville Buckeyes pitchers in the Defender in late April. I don't know if he actually appeared for Louisville before showing up with New Orleans.
eugene bremer
Eugene Bremer was a pretty successful pitcher in the Negro American League of the 1940s. He played mostly for Cincinnati and Cleveland teams, and his name was usually spelled “Bremmer” in the black press. He suffered a fractured skull in the 1942 car accident that devastated the Cincinnati Buck...
He did the official averages that year--I've seen some batting stats in either the Courier or Defender (just the basics, of course).
Williams was a sportswriter (a lot of his work appears in the Courier) and was sometimes associated with teams in some capacity or other. I've been meaning to track him down more specifically.
selling the negro leagues
Here is a passage from one of Ira Lewis’s “Passing Review” columns in the Pittsburgh Courier (September 11, 1926). It’s a fascinating discussion of publicity strategies in black baseball. The promoters and owners of clubs were often reluctant to hype their stars for fear of the individual play...
I know about a lot of Chicago-area semipro teams after WWI--Chicago City League teams like the Logan Squares, plus Dickie Kerr's Famous Chicagos, etc. But I don't think I've heard of the Chicago Bisons.
the metropolitan semi-professional baseball association (brooklyn, 1920)
I’ve written before on the prominence of semipro (or independent professional) baseball in the 1910s and 1920s, especially in the big cities. A number of leagues or umbrella organizations were formed around this time, including the Chicago City League (which actually dated back to the 1890s) an...
Yeah, I wondered which came first, too. I have only a vague sense of the chronology of the ICI project & the decisions of the special records committee, but the statistical record certainly took a number of years to put together. The special committee seems to have issued its decisions in 1968, which seems fairly late in the process (the encyclopedia being published in 1969). This to me suggests that the committee's decisions were made after the project was already close to completion, and they were essentially evaluating work that was already done (or not done, in the case of the NA).
Anybody with better knowledge of the details should feel free to jump in...
was the national association a major league?
Was the National Association of Professional Base Ball Players (1871-1875) a “major league”? Your answer, obviously, depends on what you mean by “major league,” and on how much importance you attach to the label. People often interpret the conferral or denial of the major league label as a verd...
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