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It's RR's first game back. He's using that time to get his wind back. Give him a break. I'm more concerned about his free throw shooting. Imagine him at the line in a game 7, down 2, with no time left on the clock? What are the odds that he makes both? RR'S played well for his first game back. Wait until he's in game shape to complain about his "walking it up" (I complain about it all the time too).
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Pierce was also fouled on the three pointer at the end of the third, when Wilcox got the O rebound and made the short turn around at the buzzer. But in general fouls were more fairly and evenly caled in the second half. Rondo is a smart player. If Doc tells him to push it he will.But It's RR's first game back . He's winded and using time to catch his breath. Van Gumby should get off the flopping kick. Players were flopping when Auerbach was coaching. In fact in one of his "Red on Roudnball" shows he demonstrated how to flop. Red said "do I like flopping-no I hate it. But it's part of the game, so you've got to use it." I forget which guard he had demonstrating how to flop. Does anyone know if "Red on Roundball" is available on DVD? Or if there are any compete Celtic championship games available on DVD? Thanks
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Knicks got ALL questionable calls in first half. No wonder there was no flow. Just hanging in when Refs gave 12-15 points to Knicks is a testament to the toughness of the team. Examples: Melo payed "Defense" on Pierce with one arm wrapped around him. No foul on Amare, when KG drove left around him and made layup ( Amare had hand on his back). No call on Rondo's black eye. No call on Pierce left drive near end of first quarter or any other drive.. Countless tic-tac fouls drawn by Melo. No goal tend on Rondo Layup when it was blocked after it it glass. Rondo should try Hornacek method of free throw shooting (left foot way back to straighten shoulder, elbow, eye.) Pierce used a modified version a few years back when he was struggling from the line- it straightened him out. RR was shhooting ith his keft foot lightly back in pre-season when he was shooting free throws better. Or he could try 2 handed underhand like the best foul shooter in NBA history (Rick Barry.) Of course, it didn't work for Wilt when he tried it. Love this team, but Rondo can't miss free throws or they're going nowhere.
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I bleed green and LOVE the trade. Media types and "fans" with no memory forget that we had NO backup 3 (small forward) to spell Pierce if gets in foul trouble, gets dinged, or just needs a blow. We also forget that Perk and Delonte were hurt and Nate was the only backup point. They forget that the Celtics were in first place with the best record in the East with NO PERK for the first 33 games. They forget that Perk was limited offensively and with Rondo on the floor, the C's had 2 players who the defense could sag off. They forget that Perk almost never finished games because of his poor free thro shooting (and because the D could load up the paint. They forget Per's endless "moving screen" fouls, and the way he ALWAYS brought the ball down after catching inside. Trade was great from day 1, and may lead to a Title if Green can step up his defensive intensity a notch. They were not going to win without a backup 3.
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I honestly don't know. On paper, it seemed like a great trade for the Celtics, Jeff Green has talent. But until and unless Jeff starts playing with heart, desire, fire, and energy-with passion, my doubts will continue to grow. Here's hoping he will rise to the occasion. Go Jeff. GO!
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Doc used "hero ball" all last year at least. We heard it in huddles whenever he was "wired" on national telecasts (particularly in the playoffs) and in pressers. The term has been a favorite of Doc's all year since training camp. It's not unique to Doc. I've heard several pro and college coaches use it the term in the last few years. Previously, the more preferred terms seemed to be: "Don't try to be a hero," "Don't try to do it all by yourself." "Play together." " Make the extra pass." etc. It seems that Dic's inspirational exhortations during the finals made an impression on more than just his players.
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In basketball you show your toughness with your play. No one is tougher than KG. Gets fouled constantly with no calls and never complains. Willing to dive on floor after loose balls. Willing to sacrifice in any and all facets for the good of a team. Willing to run through a wall for Doc. KG is tough where it counts-in his heart.
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Wouldn't you love to see the panic in Miami and Chicago if they lose the first game? Priceless!
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Loved trade. Danny is a great GM that put together a championship team almost from scratch, starting with a team that lost 18 in a row. That being said, the playoffs this year will define his legacy in the eyes of many. If this was a movie script, it would end with a Finals match up vs. OKC, with Celts sweeping in four, Green avg 20 off bench, and Shaq, JO and Krstic dominating Perkins. Doesn't anyone remember how the Celtics had turned into a laughing stock before Ainge? If Shaq is healthy, the Celtics will be starting 4 future Hall of Famers and Rajon Rondo! But as the Red Sox have reminded us, games are not won on paper. Playoff games are won by heart and strength, and grace under pressure. Celtics are 16 games away from Title, history, and the second chapter in legacy Danny Ainge. Third chapter begins when Danny orchestrates transition to next championship run with acquisition of next superstar. Banner18 Now on Twitter as Celticsbanner
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Lot of talent on Heat (cheerleading) team. Because of new players, team building, and recent bouts of sloppy, bad basketball, the Celtics NEED the win today more than over confident Heat. Miami is favored by 1.5 points, so I expect Refs to keep game close in first half. ( no I'm not cynical, I have great faith in the power of money). In the end, I see Celts winning by 8, restoring the hope, confidence and belief in Celtic Nation. Banner18 Now on Twitter as Celticsbanner
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The thing that worries me most, is that Doc seems unsure. I liked the trades on paper, but the timing was so bad, you wonder if it's possible to pull the team together and get everyone on same page. Rondo's slump in the wake of the trade seemed over but returned against Bulls. Whether anyone admits it or not, today could be a make or break moment for team. A solid win will result In restored confidence, hope and the belief that the Title is attainable. A bad loss, and all that remains are question marks. Banner18 Now on Twitter as Celticsbanner
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Bill Simmons is now a Laker loving idiot. Every real green-blooded Celtic fan knows the Fakers are evil incarnate and cannot beat the Celtics in the Finals except through some incomprehensible fluke. The media always loves the Lakers, and they're almost always wrong. In the Finals, the Celtics have beaten the Lakers 9 times and lost 3 times, including 1969 when the Lakers had Wilt, Baylor and West, and Russ and the Celtics were on their last legs. If Simmons was still a Celtic fan, he'd know that Shaq will be back; Bynum will crumple and Truth and Justice will prevail one more time. Bill, you should be ashamed!
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No one can predict every injury. Danny Ainge has taken the C's from the bottom of the NBA to the top. Semih is injured (shoulder) and only played sporadically. Marquis Daniels understands why he was traded and he will still get paid . The Celtics have one goal: winning the championship. The trades brought them closer to that goal if Shaq comes back. If he doesn't, they probably would not have won anyway. Remember Perk missed three weeks, and with Daniels down they had no backup wing. Now post trades, the C's had three things they didn't have before: an athletic backup 3 in Green ; a 7' center who can catchvthe ball, finish or draw fouls around the hoop and hit a medium range range, face up jumper in Krstic; and a real 3rd string back up point guard in case Delonte goes down in Arroyo. Now, unfortunately Krstic is hurt, and so the Celtic Big Man Corps is weakened once more. Hindsight is always 20/20. If a shooter had gone down, we might have needed Pavlovich. Doing nothing (as Jan Volk did after 1986), not taking big chances to make your team significantly better, is easy. It just doesnt lead to championships. Danny Ainge has guts, foresight and intelligence. He is simply the best GM th Celtics have had since Red. Red made mistakes too, but in the end he usually came out on top. He's done it once again, by having Danny in charge of the Celtics.
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Jake, you're NOT a die hard fan. I watch all 82 and some of the wins twice. I watch pre season and even summer league. The Celtics need Krstic, much as the Red Sox need middle relievers to eat up innings. In Nenad's case, the C's need Krstic to eat up minutes, score a few easy points, draw fouls on the opponents with his upfakes, and hit the 15-17 foot jumper (a facet of his game that we have not seen enough). Nenad, is not D Howard, but neither is he a scrub. He's an active 7' European center with great hands who knows how to score around the hoop with either hand. And he's got a nice face up jumper. His defense and rebounding have not been great, but the Celtics only gave up 90 points per game while he was starting. The problem is the Celtics also need another Tough defensive 5 to complement him. Now JO is back and he played very well in limited minutes. Until Shaq comes back, Baby will have to play big minutes at 5. That's bad because not only is baby undersized at 5, now he won't be available to back up KG at 4. Nor will he be fresh at the end if games when Doc relies on him to play 5. Unless the Celtics can rely on Shaq and JO to combine for 48 minutes, they will miss Krstic. I just hope he's not out for long. You may have some personal antagonism toward Krystic because he replaced Perk, and Nenad is not nearly as tough. But Krstic is a major upgrade over Perk offensively, and unless we can rely on Shaq and JO te combine for 48 minutes a night, the C's will miss him if he's out for any extended time.
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You can't always reverse the call of the official who's closer and who "has a better angle.". The crew chief can do it under most circumstances, but it's a very fast game, and it would result in a lot of jump balls. I've had this argument with my 25 tear old son many times. In a perfect world, I think you and he are right. But in reality, I think "make up calls" are the only practical way to try to make the game fair. Say one official makes 5 bad calls in favor of home team and the crew chief calls everything 50/50, right down the middle. You'll wind up with 5 bad calls that will possibly change the outcome (or at least the spread). Wouldn't it be more fair if the crew chief evened out the bad calls a bit? If a player on team A goes over the back of a defender on team B for a rebound with no foul called, and the ball dribbles out of bounds off the offensive player B's hands, the rules say the ball should belong to team A. But most of the time refs use common sense and give to team B (the guy boxing out). They could call a time out, watch the replay, call a loose ball foul on team A, but most of the time they just give it to team B. BTW there used to be something in the rule book that applied to this and similar situations. They called it a "force out.". It was a foul, and usually it just slowed up the game, so they took it out. IMO it's more important to apply common sense, for the game to be fair (the spirit of the law) rather than to adhere to the letter of the law and let one team get screwed. Just my opinion. All the best, Banner18 Sent from my iPad
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Bad refs, crooked refs, incompetent refs, refs that carry grudges, and refs that use bad judgement have always been a part of the game. For the most part, they are balanced out by good, solid, honest refs. I argue with my son (an ex Hugh school ref) about the value and legitimacy of "make up calls.". He thinks they should not exist. That refs a should always call the game exactly the way they see it. I think "make up calls" are an essential part of the game, and help to keep the game honest and fair. The real problems result when there is not an experienced, fair crew chief who has the good, common sense to call a "make up" when one is warranted or to give the ball to the last team to touch it on an out of bounds play when a foul should have been called, but wasn't.
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Yeah, I was wrong once before... Seeing the world thru green colored glasses has worked 17 times in the past 55 years I've been a fan. Not bad winning percentage. Of course it's really Red, Cousy, Russell, Heinsohn, Jones, Havlicek, Cowens, JoJo,Bird, DJ, Ainge, Parrish, McHale, KG, Pierce and Ray et al who deserve the credit. Its sort of like being a Yankee fan, only good instead of evil. Only one more prediction for this year. If I'm right one more time, the C's will win their 18th Banner. Bleeding Green forever, Go Celtics Sent from my iPad
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Put on your green glasses, folks! Celtics torch Indy in first quarter repeat of last night. Tonight the second unit gets into the act, and the Celtics put in their first complete 48 minute performance in two months. Celtics blow out Indy 124-88.
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Big, powerful point guards like MVP candidate D. Rose and Magic Johnson always create problems for defenses. Since the Celtics not have a DJ, do you think putting a longer player on Rose might limit his outside shooting, and make him more one dimensional? Deng on Pierce has a similar effect. Paul has to work to find shots off picks , drive, or drive and pull up. Candidates for guarding Rose include: Ray, Green, Pavo...? I was never a huge TA fan because he was inconsistent and unpredictable (I hear he's much improved with increased playing time) but he would have been a good candidate for the job. Many thanks (regarding spelling and grammar: please remember some of these posts are made on phones or small devices)
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The way the Cs are playing at the moment, the finals seem very far away. To answer your questions, however, having Shaq in the starting line up should help rebounding. Krstic (despite last nights game) has been rebounding much better than expected since coming to the Cs. He had 29 in a recent 2 game span. Shaq and KG, or Krstic and KG gives th Cs two 7 players in the front line to match Bynum, Odom. Muhy was terribly out of shape when he cam to the Cs. He was no part if the rebuilding plan with the Nets and did not play. Since, he as started logging a few minutes and got some of his wind back, Ive seen a lot of improvement in his game (except last night when the entire team played poorly). The problem for Murphy and all he new player, is lack of practice time. The schedule has been working against them with three back to backs, and not more than one day recovery time between games (with two exceptions when they have two) over a two week span. Lack f rest is also affecting the aging big three. Sent from my iPad
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I love Perk, but since hes left folks have somehow made him into a combination of Moses Malone and Robert Parish. Perk was one dimensional. He was an undersized defensive player with a lot of heart and a great attitude. We were out rebounded all last season with Perk. We were out rebounded in the finals with Perk. Perk was not a great rebounder or (to say the least) a great offensive player. Making it to the finals last year was a minor miracle. No one-not even those of us who bleed green 24/7 365 expected it. That team displayed a tremendous amount of guts, hard work and determination. By game 7 ( which if you remember was played in LA) they were exhausted and had nothing left to give. Maybe, by some miracle, if Perk doesnt go down, they manage to pull it out. Can you really expect another team, ANY OTHER TEAM to do that again? The last time anything like that happened to the Celtics was in 1969 when Russell and the Celtics pulled it off and actually beat the heavily favored Lakers in LA. But much as I like Perk, hes not Russ and never will be. In the NBA winning one series without home court is rarity. Winning three series is nothing short of amazing. Do you really want the Celtics to have to play both the Heat and the Bulls in the East this year? Thats what will happen if the Cs finish second, and other teams stay where they are. You remember the Bulls, who took us to 7 last year with Perk playing , before they were really good? This year, if we finish second or worse, the Bulls would have home court advantage and a possible game 7 would be on their court. This year, the Celtic were a better Team when Shaq started at center. They were mire rounded, better defensively and had a better record. But the team was not perfect. We had holes at the backup small forward (3) and point (1). I was never a Quis fan, because he was injured so frequently you could never depend on him to be there Downey you needed him most. When Quis went down, the hole became a void. Now the Celtics have a young talented back up 3 in Green who was a starter in one the best teams in the West, the have a great back up center in Krstic who was nominated for player of the week last week. They have a legitimate back up point in Arroyo, and a back up shooting guard in West. Now after the trades and signings, the Celts will have a much better and deeper team if Shaq returns. If Krstic continues to improve on defense, they might even have a chance to be a better team Sent from my iPad
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Getting the #1 seed may well prove to be THE KEY to making it to the NBA Finals. If the Celt's have the #1 seed, they will ONLY have to face EITHER the Bulls OR the Miami in the Eastern conference Finals (assuming Bulls & Miami win)) . If the C's finish second, they will have to play BOTH Miami in the second round AND the Bulls in the Finals. It's obvious to me that the Celts should make a SERIOUS EFFORT to get the best record and the easiest road to the NBA Finals. Does that mean the Celtics should play starters ridiculously long minutes or if they have injuries? Of course not! On the other hand, it means they should not play Avery Bradley for serious minutes, or not take winning seriously. It would be a mistake to think they could "turn it on " and win multiple series without home court advantage again this year. Last year was an aberration. It's a rare way to make it to the finals. And the extra effort the Celtics had to expend in the process, meant they had nothing left at the end game 7. Now on Twitter as Celticsbanner
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Will Celtics brass consider "going big" to finish games? C's often get pounded on the boards, and Bigs just shoot over Baby. Just adding Krstic's rebounding and size at the 5 instead of Baby might help against certain teams. Or (if possible) adding Green and playing without a point would give big size advantage. Skip Celticsbanner on Twitter
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Wait a damn minute BleedGreen34! While some recent criticism may be justified,Rajon Rondo is clearly a great point guard. He's at or near the top of the League in assists and steals, he's incredibly athletic, he was an All Star this year, he can bring the ball up under pressure, and he can get into the paint anytime he wants. Among guards, Rondo is always among the leaders in Field Goal Percentage and Rebounding, and he was the starting point guard on an NBA championship team in only his second year. If Rondo plays long enough, he will own all the Celtic records for assists. And if Rondo ever develops a serviceable jump shot(like Jason Kidd eventually did), he will be a legit candidate for the HOF one day. Clearly, Rondo has not been in top form for two or three weeks. As you say, he's not driving strongly to the hoop or staying in front of his man on D. To that, I'd add, that he's not pushing the ball up the floor, or getting back to his man after help on D. There could be several reasons for this: 1. He may be hurt (both his feet (plantar fasciitis) and hamstring have given him problems this year. 2. He may be missing his best friend on the team (Perk) and feeling slightly hurt and resentful about the trade. 3. He may be shying away from contact at the rim because of his poor free throw percentage (though that seems better lately) or because he's beat up from getting pounded when he takes it to the rim. 4. Rondo may be just plain exhausted from leading the team in minutes all season (because they had no other point guard on the roster). Now that the Celtics have Arroyo and D West is coming back, maybe Rondo can finally give his battered body some rest. Last night, against the Bucks,Rondo played better on D, and I expect him to start driving with more authority as his body heals. There is one problem in Rondo's game this year that was not there in the past. He has turned the ball over much more than in previous years and his assist to turnover ratio is the worst of his career. I think this is a result of Rondo's trying to force more difficult passes. I'd like him to clean this up now rather than wait for the playoffs. In the off season in addition to shooting, I think RR needs to work on finishing with his left hand. The next time, I see him make a left handed layup will be the first. Tonight against D Will will be a good test. Criticize Rondo all you want, but he is the best point guard the C's have had since Cousy (Tiny was at the end of his career, and DJ-in Boston for the last third of his career-had Bird as Point Forward to help run the offense. Even Great players make mistakes or go through slumps. Look for Rondo to break out soon. All the best, Banner 18 Now on Twitter as Celticsbanner
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