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George Mobus
Associate Professor, Computer Science & Systems, Institute of Technology, University of Washington Tacoma, author: Principles of Systems Science, Springer, ISBN: 978-1-4939-1919-2
Interests: Systems Science: systems science is the science of understanding how the world works. it is at the core of every other science. Given our energy and material consumption, and governance of our systems will we be able to sustain all life for the long-run. The Human Condition: the human brain has evolved , our capacity to share abstract/conceptual information, and our ability to cooperate in complex ways have advanced us to dominate the Ecos. but, should we confiscate nature to our selfish purposes? Do we have the wisdom to find a balance between our own desires, and the good for the whole earth?
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@Don S. The book was actually my way of aggregating and organizing what I think is the core body of knowledge about systems science. The latter is, in my view, the most basic knowledge that any society should have. So I guess it works both ways. I put it together and published it in the current environment to hopefully get more people thinking systemically. But it also acts as a repository for the future when these tribes are trying to maintain an understanding of their world. I don't see it as relevant to an expanding society because one of the key findings of systems thinking is that growth must come to an end and negative feedbacks will ensue. Anyone who studies the subject seriously is going to come to that conclusion (I hope)! ------------------------------------ @laodan, ...the tribal model of governance was not autocratic nor hierarchical. You may be correct in this but I was not talking about the past (except for noting the natural way that humans formed tribes). I was referring to the future under the stresses almost certainly coming our way due to climate changes. As you described, when under tension, tribes turned to their best qualified decision makers (presumbably the wisest) for guidance. I'm surprised that you characterize my work on sapience as not incorporating the societal view. Many of my writings in this blog emphasize the importance of societies in the coevolution of the human mind. I am working on a new book specifically about sapience - sort of the systems perspective on the human mind - that should make this even clearer. I think that salvaging or not the homo genus will be taken care of by nature. It may not have been clear enough in this post, but in prior blogs I have said as much. The point of this blog was more to show that it will in fact be nature that "takes care of" things. By stating what needs to be done by societies, I had intended to show that the likelihood is that the human salvage will not be due to societal intervention since the vast majority of humans would never go along with this program. Again I have written about this many times before. But I also view the human psyche as a part of nature, so cannot be excluded in thinking about how nature might take care of things. That a few more sapient people consciously take actions to assist there being a preservation of the genus is not outside of nature at all. The parameters you listed are in agreement with what I wrote. ------------------------------------- @RE Theory and practice should be mutually reinforcing! Thanks -------------------------------------- @Paul R-B, Thanks for the promulgation! I will visit to see how it is received. George
What Can be Saved? I am on record as saying I doubted that humanity as a global population could be saved from certain destruction. I have also stated that the species, Homo sapiens is probably not salvageable in its current... Continue reading
Posted 2 days ago at Question Everything
The shortest day of the year is here and I am celebrating. The sun has come out after a few days of really bleak winter-like weather. Lots of rain and wind. Happy Solstice to All This has certainly been an... Continue reading
Posted Dec 21, 2014 at Question Everything
@anima, Yes. It is called the panspermia theory. It has a major flaw logically, however. Even if life did not emerge on Earth, it had to start somewhere at some time.
@Abena, Teaching includes instruction.
Toggle Commented Nov 23, 2014 on What is Teaching? at Question Everything
My new textbook, Principles of Systems Science, along with co-author Mike Kalton, is now shipping. I have no idea what it means but Amazon ran out in just a few days of starting to sell their batch! Of course it... Continue reading
Posted Nov 22, 2014 at Question Everything
Thanks RE. Since I have written a lot about the nature, creation, and uses of money in the past and mentioned it in one or more of the blogs in this series I didn't want to clutter the main theme with it. Take a look at the past Biophysical Econ blogs and you will see how I have treated money. George
Toggle Commented Sep 29, 2014 on The Evolution of Governance at Question Everything
Previous posts in this series: How Does Nature Manage Complexity? Systems Science and the Political Economy Governance of an Economy A Sapient Political Economic System A Brief History of Evolving Social-Economic Governance In the blog post, Systems Science and the... Continue reading
Posted Sep 24, 2014 at Question Everything
Is the day half full (of light) or half empty? They say it depends on your disposition. Do you tend to see the positive or the negative? The realist will pay only scant attention to the state of the situation,... Continue reading
Posted Sep 22, 2014 at Question Everything
@Steve H., ...managed to free ourselves from natural selection pressures through technological innovation to a great extent... Steve, this is a common conception that turns out not to be the case. It is true we have freed ourselves from the kinds of pressures that might have been active before we developed weapons, etc. but that doesn't mean we have completely eliminated all selection pressures. In fact we may be under more and more diverse pressures mostly of our own making. Humans have been continuing to evolve all along. The often used example is the evolution of lactose tolerance into adulthood gained by peoples who drank the milk of dairy animals. There are numerous other documented examples of more recent evolutionary changes as a result of selection pressures. Today the pressures we are creating are primarily social and even results of our technologies. For example due to so many electronic-induced distractions there are pressures on teenagers to have shorter attention spans. If this were to persist and an inability to switch tasks rapidly led to differential reproductive success (faster switchers produced more offspring) then evolution might proceed by the Baldwin effect to produce a race of people who were really twitchy! Of course that won't come to fruition because the culture that would drive such an effect will implode before enough time could elapse. Too bad. Might make for a very comical lot! ----------------------------------- @Aboc Z. The primary examples are the great cooperative socialization events in life history, such as the symbiogenesis that led to eukaryotic cells. The symbionts found that through cooperation they could continue to function. Synergy allowed for great efficiencies to emerge. Of course then biological (Darwinian) mechanisms took over and the new symbiont-multiplex evolved into multiple forms. Similarly, when cells entered into symbiotic relations. Either single cell types stopped separating after cell division or different cell types found working together benefited both (e.g. lichens) from the synergies made possible by cooperation. The energies needed to sustain individuated species were reduced or changed. At the level of organizations in society consider the typical consolidation and reorganization that occurs when a company, for example, finds its market share declining. If it is nimble and acts quickly it can reduce its work force and continue operations. Similarly, when two companies merge to gain synergy they can (at least they hope) reduce their separate resource requirements and realize savings of effort to accomplish the same job. Whenever you see an example of a successful restructuring or synergistic symbiosis you are seeing a system reorganize in response to external forces. Of course, more often systems fail to do this and succumb to destruction. George
[NOTE: I wrote this blog post a while back intending to put it up before the last several posts re: applying hierarchical cybernetics to political economics. Can't say why I forgot to post it, but perhaps it will help resolve... Continue reading
Posted Sep 6, 2014 at Question Everything
@Don S., Spot on! I heartily agree. Sometime back I wrote several pieces linking education and permaculture in a sapient society following a Noetic hierarchy. For example: A Dream of Education for the Future (links to other musings inside). Thanks. -------------------------------------- @Sari, WRT: ISIS (or whatever name it goes by now). I largely view much of what is going on in the world today as the mental illness produced by living in our stressed-out world. ISIS is just one extreme, but the same mental problems are showing everywhere (e.g. Ferguson MO. where I happened to go to my first year of high school!) Homo sapiens is not yet sapient enough to have strong mental capacities to deal with the kinds of stress that we have created in our world. The West's mucking about in parts of the world that could barely sustain a population just to keep the oil flowing is an example of the lack of wisdom creating situations that lead to madness. AFA: democracy and different weights go, I'm afraid the distribution function of sapience is skewed too far to the low end (I am predicting based on evolutionary theory) so that it would eventually work out that still only a minority of people would have effective voting. The problem is how would society assess the competency of individuals. And with such an overwhelming part of the population suffering from low sapience wouldn't the majority rebel anyway. As sorry as I am to say it, I think the only solution is an evolutionary bottleneck and that will happen pretty much automatically. And for arts: Given that the economy I sketched is an ideal and only feasible if all the citizens possessed sufficient sapience, the existence and pursuit of fine arts would automatically follow from people being able to achieve self-actualization. And most would engage I suspect. With all hands helping to meet the basic energy needs of the society and that society not based on them mega-energy model of today's industrial culture, there should be plenty of time and resources for people to engage in creative endeavors. As for intellectual property, the whole idea of property ownership for the benefit of profit making simply goes away. I sometimes think that the most sapient people I suspect are also those who share without thought of personal gain. Perhaps I am just a dreamer though. George
Prior Posts in this Series Systems Science and the Political Economy Describes the basic nature of economics rooted in the physiology and psychology of the economic agents, in this case us. Examines the nature of markets of agents in which... Continue reading
Posted Aug 30, 2014 at Question Everything
I hear you. The e-version should be considerably less. And then, also, there is this blog! George
@dmf Sadly the book has a price! There is an e-version available (soon). But the hardcover will be $76 I think, which is quite reasonable for a textbook. My thought was that the book should come out as a textbook in hopes that schools would start up systems courses. Not having a textbook of this kind seems to have been a disincentive to do so. I hope to be writing more 'popular', lay-person oriented works in the near future. George
You can view Springer's catalog page at: This pioneering text provides a comprehensive introduction to systems structure, function, and modeling as applied in all fields of science and engineering. Systems understanding is increasingly recognized as a key to a... Continue reading
Posted Aug 14, 2014 at Question Everything
@RE, All of those terms are not identical, and sapience is definitely not the same as intelligence. The human failing comes from the advances in both intelligence and creativity (which combined I call cleverness) getting ahead of sapience (the basis of wisdom). Many other authors have noted a similar phenomenon. Craig Dilworth's "Too Smart for our Own Good" is a good example. Yes humans have a problem with cognition. But it isn't the existence of sapience, it is the weakness of sapience. -------------------------------------- @Tony, True enough. Our strength (if it can be called that) is our considerable skills in tactical management and adaptability as omnivores. We've been very successful in exploring for new resources and exploiting them to exhaustion. Definitely not sapient behavior. George
Toggle Commented Aug 12, 2014 on Governance of an Economy at Question Everything
Instruction Not a small portion of my students complain bitterly when the fill out their student evaluations of the courses I teach. The typical complaint goes like this: He isn't organized. He frequently digresses into things that are not part... Continue reading
Posted Aug 12, 2014 at Question Everything
@RE, "That word you are using; I do not think it means what you think it means." Perhaps a closer reading of my working papers on sapience would be in order. By this comment I suspect you are not considering the evolutionary aspects of what it means. George
Toggle Commented Aug 11, 2014 on Governance of an Economy at Question Everything
@RE, Honestly, I'm not sure of the relevance of the question. Except to point out that wars are generally always about scarce resource issues (the US has to protect the oil source in Iraq) which is the antithesis of a balanced biophysical economy. Also, I am conjecturing on the notion that the decision agents in a working governance system would be far more sapient than any world or tribal leaders in our so-called real world. Ergo I don't address any notion of war fitting into a biophysical economy. George
Toggle Commented Aug 10, 2014 on Governance of an Economy at Question Everything
An Example from Biology A living system is the basic example of an economy. For example within a single cell the metabolic machinery is a production factory to produce more biomass, either growth of the cell to a mature size,... Continue reading
Posted Aug 8, 2014 at Question Everything
The bombing has actually helped shape my life. I was born on this day in 1945 and am always reminded of the fact. But more than that, the thought that I came into this world on the very day of... Continue reading
Posted Aug 6, 2014 at Question Everything
@Don S., Thanks Don. I will try to make time to watch Hard's talk especially. I have written in the past about the Grandmother hypothesis and the grandparent contribution to family and group dynamics. I see it as a major contributor to the evolution of sapience. -------------------------------------- @Tony N., Truly! A lot of threads have been coming together in the minds of many more people. In a sense, that is why I no longer write about collapse per se. There are a growing number of people who are finally seeing the connections and picking up the themes to some degree or another. Frees me up to think about more positive things! ------------------------------------- @GaryA, I'd forgotten that I had the comments shut down after 1 month. Awhile back I was getting flooded by spammers in random old posts so the folks at Typepad recommended I close comments after a month. I've now set that back to 6 months. Don't know if anyone can comment on posts that were already closed but if you want you can give it a try. As for memory traces: some of the things I've been reading sure seem to confirm my hypothesis from the 80's! Looking for specific circuits in neocortical structures might still be daunting (though some new methods look promising to trace specific engrams) but tracing through strengthened synaptic connections in invertebrates like Aplysia (Eric Kandel) has been going on for quite a while. My Adaptrode model is based on that work. I plan to continue with the conscious machine series, interleaving this systems science/political economy series. In an upcoming post I will review my prior work on memory traces through strengthened synaptic connections ala Kandel and Daniel Alkon ("Memory Traces in the Brain"). More to come. George
@Don S., Thanks for the reference. Nate Hagens, of the former Oil Drum site, used to write a good deal about dopamine, etc. He is writing at "The Monkey Trap" and I believe you can still find his writings archived at the Oil Drum site. As for the need for sapience - spoiler alert - I will be writing about how the only way a well functioning hierarchical cybernetic can work is if the decision agents are sapient enough. The good news is that the evolutionary evidence points to pre-agricultural humans were on the path in that direction. The bad news is it has been strongly selected against since agriculture and technology. -------------------------------------- @Brian, Good questions all. As for costs, you are right that strategic thinking is very costly. The prefrontal cortex expanded greatly over the last 2 million years and Brodmann area 10 doubled in size over the last 200k years. The brain is already the most expensive tissue in the body, energy-wise. So my guess is that the further increases in brain tissues supporting expanded tactical and strategic thinking must have been a selective advantage. One possible theory is that strategic thinking is more important in more complex and highly variable environments. The African continent went through some pretty wide ranging climate shifts that were thought to have a major impact on human evolution. The expansion of the brain size and especially of the PFC may have shifted the job of forming strategies from evolutionary selection of massively copied substrate to the capabilities of individuals to formulate long-term strategies in their memory systems. That would be my guess anyway! -------------------------------------- @Aboc Thanks for the alert. Must have been thinking of Thanksgiving or something when I wrote that. Fixed now! George
The Fundamentals of Economics I'd like to examine the political economy from the perspective of systems science. Specifically I want to put biophysical economics together with the theory of hierarchical cybernetic systems to see if we can't find some guidance... Continue reading
Posted Jul 31, 2014 at Question Everything