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I was part of Brian's marketing team at Eloqua. Over the past several months, most of his direct reports, myself included, have landed lead marketing jobs at Boston's top startups. We all got together recently, and everyone said the same thing: Every single day we appreciate Brian more. We constantly find ourselves asking how Brian would have approached a challenge or realizing, after the fact, why he handled something the way he did. Helluva boss, helluva marketer. But most of all, he's a helluva guy. Thanks for posting this article, David. -Joe
The journey from a traditional marketing executive to a modern CMO
With an MBA from Wharton, a bunch of high profile marketing gigs on his resume, and a bit of gray hair to show he’s got experience, Brian Kardon is what people think of as a typical Chief Marketing Officer. He’s been there and done that. But he realized one day that everything he learned in scho...
David -
First of all, huge credit to you for having an opinion. There's too much Mitt Romney in social media ... too many people practiced at the art of not standing for anything for more than a moment.
The only behavior that's more common than the lack of opinion is the art of false science. I'd love to give a ratio (80% of your content should be original, 20% should be curated), but the stat would be invented. That said, I think manually, deliberately, carefully curated content (e.g., What 10 Thought Leaders Have to Say About Infographics) is excellent SUPPLEMENTAL content in a content marketing program. The problem is when it's the thrust of the program, a problem that's exacerbated by low-value "automated" curation.
Translation: I think curation is valuable if two criteria are met: (1) It's in moderation, (2) It's done carefully and purposefully.
That's the end of my rant. Mostly I just wanted to say that I am always happy to read a post in which the author has an opinion. Kudos to you.
-Joe Chernov / @Jchernov / Eloqua
Content curation: A poor substitute for original content
You may have noticed that content curation has grown very quickly as a way for people and organizations to publish on the Web. Sure, there are some benefits to this effort. But as a strategy for generating attention for yourself or your business, content curation is nowhere near as powerful as ge...
Completely agree, Ardath. Demanding the spotlight is for stage moms, not content marketers! ;)
B2B Content Marketing as Trojan Horse
I sat in on the Content Marketing for Real Marketers webinar, with Joe Chernov and Rebecca Lieb, hosted by #CMI and Joe Pulizzi. Of course there were many great points made, but two of them stood out and prompted this blog post: Content draws 10X more media attention than product launches. Dimi...
Ardath,
Great stuff, as always. Thanks (I think!) for articulating the key points of this webinar better than I (a presenter!) did in the session itself.
I too find it surprising (but reassuring, from a job security standpoint) that so many marketing and sales people struggle with the counter-intuitiveness of "a smaller logo equals a bigger audience" thinking. But you are right: It is something that many folks don't process so easily.
There is another point, one along these lines, that I'd hoped to make in the session, but time didn't permit. And that's this: Sharing the spotlight.
At Eloqua, we let our design firm, JESS3, share equal branding in all of the creative content they produce for us. This caused a bit of a stir internally (and, if observing other marketing automation providers' content is any indication, isn't the norm outside of Eloqua). I think it's crazy to try to "hog" the spotlight yourself. Here's why shared branding works:
1.) Two companies = double the spotlight. Both companies staff, partners, fans, customers are likely to share the content if both organizations get credit for the work. Why cut your distribution in half?
2.) When someone's "name" is on the finished product, you can believe they'll bring their A-game. It's quality, guaranteed.
3.) C'mon, does anyone think Eloqua is toiling away creating animated videos and infographics anyway? That's crazy talk. We make marketing automation software. We are only fooling ourselves if we pretend the public thinks we moonlight as infographics designers.
Great stuff, as always.
Your fan,
Joe Chernov / @jchernov / Eloqua
B2B Content Marketing as Trojan Horse
I sat in on the Content Marketing for Real Marketers webinar, with Joe Chernov and Rebecca Lieb, hosted by #CMI and Joe Pulizzi. Of course there were many great points made, but two of them stood out and prompted this blog post: Content draws 10X more media attention than product launches. Dimi...
Ardath,
Your posts are always great, but you've really nailed it this time. You have identified so many of the essential issues all marketers, including B2B marketers, *should* be aware of, but for some strange reason, many seem to ignore.
While chairing the WOMMA ethics panel, I noticed a few patterns. Most popular of which is this one: A company feels like just requesting that incentivized endorsers disclose their connection to the brand is sufficient. As you correctly point out, it isn't. Here's a parallel that might help clarify why merely requesting disclosure isn't enough. Imagine you have a kid in school. You tell your child to do his homework. He doesn't do the work, despite the fact that you asked. You never enforce the requirement, and he fails to graduate. Who is responsible? Clearly the parent.
That's where some marketers are today. They *think* placing the request is sufficient. But they need to make sure the desirable behavior happens. It's their obligation.
I also think that the "not enough characters" in a tweet is a misconception. There are companies like CMP.LY that facilitate short-form disclosures. Alternatively, instead of advocating a pro-brand hashtag, marketers could instead require a disclosure hashtag (like #contest, or #sponsored) to make sure the material connection is clear to the average consumer. The marketer could also require a link (to a contest rules page or a Facebook page displaying rules) be embedded for eligibility. At Eloqua, we've done both #contest hashtag and hardwired links.
B2B marketers often follow in the wake of their B2C counterparts, especially when it comes to new media. Several B2C companies took their lumps in recent years from the FTC for violating the commission's guides. One of my 2012 predictions is that a B2B marketer is going find itself in the government's crosshairs. If, as a marketer, you think not enough endorsements is a deep hole to climb out of, imagine trying to recover public trust after an FTC investigation?
Again, and as always, great work here.
-Joe Chernov / @jchernov / Eloqua
Is Gaming Your Customers Okay?
I've had a number of conversations lately with B2B marketers who are becoming concerned with, hmm, let's call it the overzealousness of some B2B marketing practices that are emerging. In the quest to gain what should be earned referrals and testimonials, some companies appear to be pushing the b...
(That should have read "a really good "thinker." Oops.)
Herding your cats in social media
People who manage social media in a corporate environment know that the activity is often less about business management and more like herding cats. Anyone can create an account on social media platforms and I often see companies where well-intentioned individuals create official-looking brand...
Hey there Pete. You've always been a really good thinking. But your writing is just as strong. Love this stuff. Lots of laughs in this post, and an equal number of great insights. Question: Will your new tool compete with products like HearSay or Expion?
Herding your cats in social media
People who manage social media in a corporate environment know that the activity is often less about business management and more like herding cats. Anyone can create an account on social media platforms and I often see companies where well-intentioned individuals create official-looking brand...
Katie,
Gosh I always love when someone blogs about the content we produce, but when it's the measurement superstar herself, well, that's all the better. Thanks so much for the post, truly appreciated. (I'll tell Sue & Jay about this funny happenstance and they'll get a kick out of it.)
-Joe Chernov / Eloqua / @jchernov
How Content Turns Prospects Into Customers: The Content Grid v2 Infographic
This infographic from Eloqua is such an elegant way to present a lot of information at once. It succinctly organizes and displays the process by which “Publishing valuable content – whether blog articles, infographics, white papers, or videos – can turn prospects into customers.” That last quote...
David,
I must have officially become a client, because a laughed -- belly laughed -- no fewer than four times reading this post.
I cringed at this one: "We've gotta run the tweet by legal, HR, the CFO, and compliance. I can get the tweet approved in three weeks."
For me this is the best of the three-part series. You nailed it.
Joe
Ridiculous social media client mentality
I had fun writing my most recent two posts: Advertising agency campaign mentality and PR agency pitch mentality. Based on the large numbers of tweets and comments, the sweeping generalizations were interesting to many. Joe Chernov suggested in a comment and a tweet that I also talk about clients....
Very interesting post, David. I agree with your observations, and I think the criticism is fair and deserved. There is, however, a character missing in this narrative, and it's the client. I just read that PR is the second most stressful job (http://www.prdaily.com/Main/Articles/Report_PR_pro_is_the_secondmost_stressful_job_7998.aspx). I have to imagine that it's the needy, by-any-means-necessary, our-competitor-was-mentioned-we-weren't clients that are behind the wheel for most of these email fender-benders. The PR person just sorta follows bad instructions.
PR agency pitch mentality
Late last week I wrote a post called Advertising agency campaign mentality. It got some attention with, as of this writing, a few hundred tweets, a bunch of Facebook likes, and 24 comments. Some people – including Chris Brogan and Dominic Litten called me out in this post because they saw it as a...
Hey Pete,
This is a great topic. Before my SXSW panel on personal brands, I reached out to our corporate lawyer and asked him if these statements help, and, if so, who do they help and in what circumstance? I suspected he'd say they weren't worth the pixels they are printed on, but he didn't. He said (and I am only translating here) they can help the company (not individual) protect itself should a staffer say something with legal implications online. It probably wouldn't help if an executive said something - or a spokesperson / social media head - given that their job is to represent the company (much like it wouldn't help, say, a politician). But when it comes to staff, it's still a reasonable practice. -Joe
These words are my own
A disclaimer that reads something like this sits in many user bios on social sites: "These words are my own." What this generally means is that although the user has identified him/herself as an employee of a particular corporation, they are participating in social media whether or not the activ...
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Hello Jacques,
I'm Joe Chernov, the director of content with Eloqua. We agree with your premise that a set of tools alone does not equal marketing automation. As you suggest, marketing automation success relies on the combination of technology, business processes and human alignment. When those three pieces come together, that's when companies truly make non-linear improvements to their revenue performance. In fact, we see a new category emerging, which we're dubbing Revenue Performance Management, comprised of vendors who are committed to practicing the "science" of revenue growth. More on that here: www.eloqua.com/revenue-performance-management
Yours,
Joe
Eloqua, Marketo, and Aprimo are not Marketing Automation
Marketing automation has come to mean too many things to too many people. In today’s marketplace there are many solutions masquerading as marketing automation. These include Eloqua, Marketo, Aprimo… just to mention a few. What is interesting, if you look at all these solutions, is that they all ...
Are we all complicit in the war on our personal privacy? Absolutely. -Joe
Your Social Media Followers Are Your Best Customers
The following is a guest post from Joe Chernov. Joe is the Director of Content for Eloqua. Co-chair of WOMMA member ethics panel. You can read more about Joe here: http://www.jchernov.com If you’ve ever suspected your social media followers are your best customers, your instinct was correct. ...
That's a great question (how we computed NPS). Eloqua has doubled-down on NPS. We survey all of our clients, we track change fiendishly, and a significant percentage of our bonus is tied to the metric. It's a big deal for us. So fortunately when set out on this study, I knew I would have real data against which to compare our social media followers. But you are 100% right, NPS is a labor-intensive commitment. -Joe
Your Social Media Followers Are Your Best Customers
The following is a guest post from Joe Chernov. Joe is the Director of Content for Eloqua. Co-chair of WOMMA member ethics panel. You can read more about Joe here: http://www.jchernov.com If you’ve ever suspected your social media followers are your best customers, your instinct was correct. ...
Ok Brian, just when I thought there wasn't another tree metaphor (pun?) left, you give us "sprouts"! Great stuff. Really insightful post (as expected, given the source). Thrilled to have you on "the tree" and more thrilled still to have gotten to know you a bit over the past year. Great stuff, as always.
Yours,
Joe Chernov / @Jchernov / Eloqua
Need to Know Where to Go for Marketing and Sales Insight? Come to The Blog Tree
If you’re a follower of marketing and sales blogs beyond just this one, you’ve probably noticed all kinds of blogs and tweets sprouting up today around The Blog Tree, just released by Eloqua and JESS3. And I think the attention is well deserved. Every blogger has some kind of blog roll, but w...
Scott,
Thank you for the kind words and support. This project was a blast. You are right, JESS3 is amazingly creative and I am fortunate to have them as a partner. I also stumbled upon (vs StumbleUpon ;) the ReadWriteWeb article you mentioned, and was thrilled to see that Leslie quoted me. This has been one wild day.
But really what matters is this: the people that matter find value in the type / quality of content we are trying to produce. The world is self-referential. I am trying to focus instead on the true difference makers: people like you.
Yours,
Joe Chernov / @jchernov / Eloqua
Marketing technology grows on a tree
The wonderful marketing folks at Eloqua, in collaboration with the amazingly creative team at JESS3, just released a gorgeous new infographic of blogs influencing the modern marketing space called The Blog Tree. It's awesome. And I'm not just gushing because I'm on it. I'm gushing because I'm on ...
Hello Ardath! Love your post. It's a very "elegant" perspective, and articulated wonderfully. You are 100% right that the idea here is that content creation doesn't happen in a vacuum ... that said, the "Blog Oreck" didn't have quite the same ring to it! ;)
-Joe
A Leaf on the Marketing Blog Tree
I'm honored to have my leaf on The Blog Tree created by Eloqua with JESS3. And I especially like my lofty view from the top. But, what inspires me most about the Blog tree is that I'm reaping the benefit of all the other leaves as they send their insights and expertise up the tree to feed my thi...
Wow is your mind programmed to think in terms of content creation. It's truly remarkable. Great post, love the fresh perspective. -Joe
Lollapalooza in sign language
Had a great weekend with my family at Lollapalooza in early August. We saw a bunch of bands, including Arcade Fire, Jimmy Cliff, Balkan Beat Box, Drive-By-Truckers, Devo, Gogol Bordello, Spoon, Green Day, Blitzen Trapper, Freightened Rabbit, and The National (to name a few). I was absolutely fa...
Ace! Ha, that made my day. Love it man! (PS: "Ace" was actually on the list of potential baby names, until of course, Amy pointed out that unless one is a guitarist in Kiss, it cannot be pulled off.) Thanks for mentioning The Content Grid. Hope your readers find value in it. -Joe
Monday morning roundup
Busy news morning - here are some items that have caught my attention already: Jive Software and Dachis Group announce social business partnership. We'll be working on initiatives over a multi-year period, which may include go-to-market product+service offerings. Given the deep base of Jiv...
Great fundamental tip, David. Have you ever checked out Rafe Needleman's (@Rafe) "PR Pro Tips" blog? (http://proprtips.com) It's equal parts valuable and hilarious.
Single most essential PR pitching tip
The tip is below. Feel to jump to the punch line. Prior to embarking on a speaking and writing career, I was VP marketing and PR for several public companies. Boy oh boy have I done my share of pitching. So I know what it is like when you have something interesting that you just want to share w...
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