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I really like what Jimmy said. Here's my problem with this game: The Celtics need to play near perfect basketball to beat the Heat WITHOUT officiating being a problem. They go out there tonight, and really I would say play damn near as perfect as we're going to get, and then of course the officials become an issue. Having had a pretty long career, I HATE bitching about officials losing a game for a team, because usually you can find plenty of things that a team did either during the game or even down the stretch to lose the game that shouldn't have made the officials decide the game. Tonight, I honestly don't feel like there is THAT much that we can point to. Aside from a lapse in the 3rd quarter that RyanH pointed out above (which is going to happen in the NBA, the home team WILL make a run), the Celtics really did play damn near perfect. They even executed down the stretch without their leader and closer Paul Pierce, who hit a couple of huge 4th quarter shots and was pacing them nicely before he got fouled out on what I consider to be another 50/50 call. HOW DO 100% OF 50/50 CALLS GO TO ONE TEAM?!?????????? DOESN'T THAT DEFY THE VERY LOGIC OF A 50/50 CALL??? 1.Rondo got hammered by Wade 2.Wade kicked KG 3.The NBA rule book stats that a defensive player is entitled to a plane of verticality EVEN IF he leaves the ground. Take a look back at that Paul Pierce foul. If ANYTHING, it was an offensive foul on Wade for THROWING his out of control body into the Celtic defense in hopes of a bail out call that he KNEW he would get and DID get from the refs. It was so predictable down the stretch. You just knew everything would go Miami's way. I'm so frustrated because I always yell at people who say the NBA is fixed and try to defend it, but David Stern makes me look like a f*****n IDIOT when they do stuff like this. Just. Awful. Oh yeah, and TERRIFIC game by Rondo. I've been one of the Rondo haters at times, I'll admit that. But I will say this: if he played as hard as his did tonight in every game (even other playoff games), it'd be hard for people like myself to give him a hard time. Never mind the hitting shots part. The aggression was phenomenal.
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First of all, the beginning of this recap--the part about the game changing but changing in favor of the Celtics-- was literally taken DIRECTLY from CSN, so you might wanna cite your sources. But anyway, I'm glad to see the Celtics live on for another series. Who knows how this series will go, honestly? But a couple of points. 1. I think the Sixers honestly have more heart than the Heat have. They may not have the same talent, but their defense was honestly INCREDIBLE. I think this series was ugly for a reason. Not just because the teams played badly (which did happen sometimes), but mostly because the defense was incredible. Miami is good defensively, but I'm not sure those guys bring it like that for 48 minutes the way Philly did. 2. The Celtics are not deep at ALL (especially since losing Bradley), but we have to realize that Miami is also incredibly thin in terms of guys who can score, especially without Bosh there. They have nothing like the depth that Philly ended up having. 3. Regarding Rondo: I'm willing to give him all of the credit in the world for hitting those big time shots at the end of the game. He stepped up at the end the way we've been asking him to do for years and hit huge shots. However, I have one caveat... if he would f****ng give a better effort on each and every play consistently, this team would often not even BE in these situations where they need him to do what he did. You cannot just look at a guys stats and say that he played an amazing game. This is not baseball. This guy literally drives me NUTS. I'm saying this now just to show that it's not only when he has a bad stat line or when the Celtics lose that I blame him. It's even in games like this, where he ends up closing well. The kind of stuff I get pissed at him about has more to do with effort than anything else. It's funny, because Doc preaches to this team about not trying to be the hero, and to a large part that message really is absorbed by everyone on this team--EXCEPT for Rondo. I'm not talking about offense here. I'm talking about on defense. This guy ONLY puts in energy on defense or to get rebounds when it's going to be a big play that makes him look good. This is why he gambles all of the time, lets guys go by him and then tries to poke it away, etc. A perfect example is the play when he went for the steal and then Holiday had a WIDE open three that sparked a Philly run. Rondo completely gave up when he didnt make the home run play. It is PATHETIC, and I lose a ton of respect for this guy as a former basketball player myself when he does that. What's even more pathetic to me is that he can be playing on a team with Kevin Garnett (who is the polar opposite) and still pull that bull shit. There is such thing as hero ball on defense, and that's exactly what Rondo does, night in night out, and that seriously hurts this teams chances. Finally, props to Ray Allen. Seriously. This guy is REALLY sucking it up to play each and every night and he hit two HUGE shots for this team. It's so damn hard to be able to hit shots when you have any sort of lower body injury because of the way it effects your ability to be on balance and get lift, and he just sucks it up and plays. Someone above said they were begging Doc to take Ray out--who are you going to play? They don't have another shooting guard on the roster...Dooling? Forget about it.
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My god, some of you guys above are just being straight up haters. I definitely understand the frustration, but I like how Shawn said it above, it was just ONE game. Some of the stuff you guys are saying about Bass and Doc and stuff is just ridiculous. Regarding Doc: For one thing, the criticism in the recap is definitely a bit much. In fact, bordering on the ridiculous side. Anyone can say "what the hell was Doc thinking" in hindsight--you don't sound intelligent making those comments. My first reaction was the same as yours, but after thinking it over, many coaches would have made the same decision to instruct Rondo to foul with 14 seconds left. For one thing, there was a LESS than 4 second differential between the shot and game clocks. I don't know if you realize this, but the shock clock just means the amount of time the other team has to GET OFF a shot. Say they release the shot with 4 seconds left, the shot takes a second(ish) to reach the team, then you factor in time for the rebound...time would be down around 1.5seconds or possibly even LESS to get a shot off--plus, its not like the clock stops RIGHT as the celtics catch the ball and call time--the timekeeper is human. Either way, you had one opportunity for the win, so I don't really know what you're bitching about. The execution by the team is a different story. Rondo was certainly not at his best and hasn't been in these playoffs (despite what his stats might show) and Pierce, as mentioned above is clearly hobbled by this knee issue. Regarding Bass: Just one of the most idiotic comments I've ever read above about Bass thinking the offense revolves around him. I don't know if you're a casual fan or not, but I certainly hope so. Just one of the more ignorant comments I've read. If you've watched any games this season, you'd know that much of the Celtics' offensive success this season can be attributed to Bass's ability to knock down open mid-range jumpers. When he hesitated on those SAME shots in the ATL series, many people were bashing him for not taking them, and being afraid of the moment. The team NEEDS guys who are willing to take open shots, particularly if they are as good of shooters as Bass is. He missed them tonight, so what? That's basketball, but I wouldn't expect you to know that if you've never played. Stop hating. It was a shit effort tonight, but this team is OLD, and in my opinion it's a pleasure to watch these guys night in, night out, because I know that this could be the last time we see a team that trusts and respects each other as much as these guys do. Not to mention, I'm pretty positive they'll win game 3--assuming pierce plays, but maybe even if he doesn't.
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Well stated above that it's "feast or famine" on D. But I think it is unfair for people to put so much blame on the defense when the major problem is clearly that this team just cannot score like they used to. Not that they were an offensive powerhouse when they won it in 2008, but this team has taken significant steps backwards on the offensive end, and the only thing I can attribute it to is Paul Pierce not being the scorer that he used to be. I bet if you looked at his free throw attempts (which I haven't yet done) per game they have gone down SIGNIFICANTLY in the past 2 years. I'm not saying he's the only one to blame, it's just unfortunate for him that he's expected to carry such a big load on offense and he no longer seems capable of doing it consistently. He was great playmaker while rondo was out, but as I stated above his ability to get to the line and to create his own shot is WAY down this year. It's happened quicker than I thought it ever would.
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Howard and Love? Wait....you do know this isn't a video game, right? You can't just sign anyone you feel like signing.
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I'm usually a very optimistic fan, but let's not kid ourselves here. Obviously it's good to see a win, but I honestly feel like I kind of just saw more of the same. Most of the good things we saw can be explained by how bad the Raptors are: The fewer turnovers (the Raptors generally aren't known for their Defense and their guards are god-awful), yes they held the raptors to 73 but the raptors are terrible offensively and were missing their best scorer. Pierce still didn't find his touch yet, they still couldn't keep the pedal to the middle for most of the game, they get pushed out to half court with 3 guys out there calling for the ball with 7 seconds on the shot clock. It's very frustrating. A couple of good things: -Won the rebounding battle 45-38 (Toronto is upper half of the league in rebounding), though still no one can get double digit rebounds -ONLY 10 turnovers--very good, but the raptors don't seem very long/athletic -Pietrus is very, very good. If the starters can get it together, him and Bass will be very good off the bench and more consistent as the season progresses. -Scored 96 points, 29 in the first and second quarters, shot almost 50%. It's a step in the right direction. Let's get it again on Friday.
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Sam Young could be a guy they could throw in--works financially.
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Hahahaha, this is hilarious. I went under the comments to ask why in the world you would ever post ANYTHING that GARY TANGUAY says about the Celtics--but people already beat me to the point! That guy knows close to ZERO about the Celtics or basketball in general. People already hit some points of why Pierce won't be traded unless it's a VERY good deal for Boston and Pierce likes the team he's going to. I doubt he'd even go to the Clippers. They STILL wouldn't be good enough probably. What do people think about this (I checked it on the Trade Checker over on Realgm.com.) Ray Allen and Brandon Bass for Rudy Gay? The trade works money-wise, and I think it could be a decent deal for both teams. The thing that I think many fans forget when they talk about trades is that the other team needs to agree to the deal. A lot of people are like "let's just trade pierce/allen/garnett to here or there". That's not how it works. This deal might work because the Grizzlies had a great postseason run last year without Rudy Gay. As many people predicted, Rudy Gay's return to the lineup has caused some problems because he takes way too many shots, and it has forced the Grizzlies to play from the perimeter more rather than through the post. They might enjoy having Ray Allen who won't demand so many shots at this point in his career, and who is a high percentage shooter (which they don't have). Also, Bass would be a good addition off their bench. Hopefully we wouldn't have to throw in Bass, and we could get away with giving someone else, but we may have to. Maybe the Grizzlies could throw in an extra back up wing player if they have one (I haven't checked that, I admit). As for the Celtics, that leaves you with Rondo, Gay, Pierce, Garnett, and JO in the starting lineup with Dooling, Bradley, Moore, Daniels, Stiemsma coming off the bench. This way, they will remain semi-competitive for the rest of the year. Following this year they would have (I believe) only Pierce, Rondo, and Gay under contrat--maybe the rookies as well. That leaves room for some other good players, and a nice transition into a team led by Rondo and Gay for the next few years that could maybe attract some free agents. Let me know what you guys think.
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If you were just going based on pure history, this would not be a good move. But the thing is, you can't compare those other veteran signings the Celtics had with signing Iverson. To go through the list: 1. Marbury: had sat out for about 5 months without playing ANY sort of basketball and then they just hoped that he would come in and be able to produce in an NBA postseason. As stated above, he was all about the team when he got here, he just didn't produce on the court for this reason. 2. Nate Robinson: Definitely not a complete bust. They brought him in to win a playoff game for them, which he did against Orlando. Yes, he struggled by the end, but he had already done what they asked him to do. 3. Von Wafer: I dont think anyone had high hopes. Plus, comparing him to Allen Iverson is a travesty. 4. Delonte West: We know that he is injury prone. They knew that when they signed him and sure enough he was injured for most of the year. Was not really a problem in the locker room, and in fact, almost won them a playoff game single handedly in the heat series. 5. Shaq: Was playing out of his mind at the beginning of the year and the Celtics were cruising when he was healthy. The problem was just about everyone and their grandmother knew he was going to get hurt besides Danny Ainge. If the Celtics had not banked on him staying healthy and kept Perkins, I don't think we'd be saying that signing Shaq was a bad idea. My point is, these situations don't compare at all to signing Iverson basketball-wise. Iverson is not injury prone and he has almost always produced. In the right system, with the right people surrounding him, it's worth a shot. The fact is, there's not many other guys out there that would be likely to work out better basketball wise in free agency. This team has one more year so let's go all in.
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BTW--Coach Bo--Great post above. Couldn't have said it any better. You can't have Rondo and the Big 3 for those reasons, and I choose the big 3 over Rondo.
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Redsarmy, I disagree with the majority of that post. The Big three are simply not too old to win a title, it was the supporting cast that they had around him. I couldn't quite understand whether your post was suggesting getting rid of the big 3 or just Rondo. If you were saying just Rondo, then I completely agree. If however, you were saying to trade the big 3, I just think it's ridiculous. First of all, you did not factor in that there WILL be a lockout next season, thus the season will be very much shortened. If this is the case, which it probably will be, the Big 3 and their free agents that they sign will all have less games during the regular season and thus a greater chance of being healthy when the playoffs come around. The way you make it sound is that this team was incredible far from beating the heat, which I just can't agree with. I still believe if they had a decent center like Shaq things would have been different. They would have done a LOT better on the boards, which would have made a big difference in this series. That was a matchup they could not afford to lose, and they did. Simply having a big body like Shaq there would have carved out space and limited the number of offensive rebounds for the heat, and possibly given the Celtics easy opportunities for points. Jermaine was active on the offensive glass, but it seemed like his wrist was too hurt for him to be strong with the rebound. I'm not convinced Rondo still has the value he had before, considering his lack of ability to step up during the playoffs because he can not hit a shot. I think the injury aspect was a little overblown. Yes, it certainly limited his ability to go to the hoop, but the Heat wouldn't have guarded him anyway. We saw the exact same thing happen last year in Game 7 of the finals when the Lakers just didn't guard him, and he was killing the Celtics offensively. I really hope Ainge can find a good deal for Rondo, because if he could use it to get either a bench scorer, Chris Paul or D Williams, or a decent big man, it would be great for this team. All you can hope for in basketball is to get a team out there that is a contender, and then you have to hope that they can play well enough to win it when it comes down to it. The big 3 are good enough to win it, they just need a little help at this point. I also think they have to add some shooting. Think about the year they won it all, they had Pierce, Allen, House, and Posey to consistently stretch the floor with at different points in the game, which could offset the lack of shooting that Rondo and Perkins gave them. This year, Pierce and Allen were the only consistent shooters. That's not enough outside threats to keep the floor spaced when you have Rondo on the floor. As I said in another post, Rondo has no excuse for not being able to shoot. I don't care if his hands are "too big". I have tiny hands and was able to do it from practice, and it's an insult to anyone who worked hard enough to be able to shoot to say that he "just can't do it". Anyone can do it when they get enough repetitions up. What the Celtics have with the big 3 is too special to give up. I think Ainge probably understands this. Looking forward to next year...
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***AREN'T forced to shoot jumpers
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It is mind-boggling to me how ignorant some of you guys are. I feel like you should know better. This didn't have to do with the Celtics "old legs". Was that a factor? Yes. Was it what killed them? Nope. Like a couple of people said above, the Celtics are a much better halfcourt team when they are FORCED to settle for jumpers. Yes, you have to give credit to the Heat for their half-court defense, but the deciding factor is Rajon Rondo. It's funny, many people say "The Celtics go as Rondo goes"--which is true--they can only win if he plays well enough in the rest of the game to outweigh how much of a liability he is on offense in the half court, or if the Celtics are able to get enough stops down the stretch to overcome how stagnant he makes them in the half court. They all look at each other like "what the hell do we do", which they should. They are being forced to play 3 on 5. It is almost impressive that the big 3 are even able to do what they do at the end of games considering the circumstances. Age isn't the MAJOR problem. These 3, even at this age, are good enough to be the 3 to lead this team. Rondo has no business being out there with under 3 minutes in many games. All season long we said "it's okay, at least he shot it" when he missed shot after shot from midrange, then he teased us with being able to hit a couple at times, which did in fact make the Celtics unguardable. But, in fact, when it came down to it, he didn't even attempt those shots when it mattered, because he couldn't hit them. Rondo did some great stuff for this team, we had some great times, he's a very interesting player who can be very fun to watch, and he can at time be a game changer. The problem is, he can be his own worst enemy (and the Celtics worst enemy) down the stretch of almost any game. Go back and watch the tape if you're one of the people above denying this. Garnett TRIED to post, but every time he did, bibby or whoever was guarding rondo was literally there on the catch, and rondo just stayed at the top of the key most of the time, helplessly waiting for the ball to come back to him and refusing to attempt that midrange jumper that Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, and Tony Parker have all been able to develop. Speaking from experience as someone who was not naturally good at shooting whatsoever, I was able to turn myself into one from years of extremely hard work in the gym. This is why I don't believe for a second that Rondo worked as hard as he COULD have on his shot over the summer. I believe he worked with Price, I really do. But not enough, and clearly not in game-time situations and at game-speed. Semi-proper technique (which i'm sure he got from Price) and a nauseating amount of repetition is all it takes to become a decent shooter. He could have worked on that and nothing else and the Celtics could be raising banner 18. It's just very frustrating for me as an avid Celtics fan since I can remember that he failed to develop the aspect of his game that was the most important. My friend sat right by Ainge tonight, and it was Ainge that told Doc to take Rondo out under three minutes. His own GM made Doc take him out. The very same man who paid him 55 million over 5 years. I say we give this guy one more summer to prove to us he can fix this problem. If he hasn't by next year, then his lack of shooting ability and immature antics on and off the court (ie walking the way from his coach and captain during a timeout in a conference semi-final game) aren't wanted by many people. This series is very close to over, but some guys on this team have a TON of pride. Come on Celtics.
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Whoever wrote this article---you guys ALWAYS fluctuate with what you say is "the deciding factor" of whether or not the Celtics win. For some reason when Rondo plays will, your saying is "as rondo goes, the celtics go" but when the big 3 plays well your saying is "the celtics will go as far as the big 3 take them", then when the bench plays well (which is rare) your saying is "this is the type of play the celtics need off the bench if they are gonna win it"...what is the point in making all of these sayings? How about just that if the correct amount of these things go well and they play good defense then they win games? Enough with these sayings, it just looks stupid, because you change them depending on the outcome of each game.
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I would just like to say, being one of the few Celtics fans who doesn't hate Kobe--to everyone who claims that HE has no class--WATCH him during this video. WATCH him when Bynum makes this ridiculous play. He simply cannot even believe that Bynum did it. He knows how stupid he is. As much as everyone hates the Lakers, as do I, i just want it to be appreciated that you can hate Kobe because he's a Laker, but it doesn't make much sense to group him with people like LeBron and Wade...not even on the same level of being a jackass.
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the thing that pissed me off most about this was that the refs were being so "technical" about the reason they ejected pierce. If you are going to go by the rulebook, then go by the rulebook for every call. The rulebook also says that any unnecessary contact above the head is a flagrant foul. Just ridiculous. And hopefully the Celtics starters can overcome how bad their bench is.
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Redsarmy I think you're being pretty ridiculous claiming that he should have restrained himself from saying that. You know you're just doing this because it was Kobe. I'm a Celtics fan myself, but just because you don't like the lakers and kobe in particular doesn't mean you have to hold him to different standards. Do you know how many times KG probably says that per game? Pierce? Rondo even? You're holding a huge double standard by making a big issue over this. Yes it would obviously be better if no one said it, but people do. It IS heat of the moment, and sometimes you just can't control yourself if you've grown up being able to speak freely like that. I like what someone said above, he was incredibly unlucky that the camera was on him. I know you hate the guy, but come on, be realistic and be fair, give him a break. Let's just hope the Celtics beat him and make him look bad that way, we don't need to make him look bad ourselves.
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And for those who compare this years' team to last years team and are claiming you aren't worried at all: Rondo on last night's game: "Think we need to play with a better sense of urgency," he said before his meeting with Rivers. “It better be a wakeup call, if not, we won’t make it far. We’re a completely different team (than last year). It’s not the same team. We’re not going to be able to turn it on like we did year. I don’t know what we’re waiting on but these types of games we have to find a way to win. It’s a roller-caster and right now we went back down today."
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I like pretty much all of the comments above. Classless, great point man, well done. This is exactly what I thought when the trade happened...WHO CARES if they didn't really have anyone to back up Pierce for the 20 games left in the regular season. When the playoffs come, we know that Pierce's minutes are going to go up, and as a result, Green's minutes are going to go down. We've not only seen that he can't rebound when he plays the 4, but we've seen that this idea that he supposedly can DEFEND 4's is just not true either. Did you see him with Boozer last night? KG was doing a terrific job, then Green tries to guard him, and he was just simply overmatched. That being said, this is NOT Green's fault. He's simply being asked to do something that he can't. Terrible, terrible trade. If the Celtics win the title, it's because Shaq luckily got healthy and they had enough talent to begin the regular season with to make it despite being hindered considerably by this trade. If they don't win the title, the trade was terrible. Either way, this trade was a complete fail, letter grade F, however you want to look at it. Do I think they won't win it all? No. No one is saying they have no chance. But, this trade, for MANY reasons,--Krstic's dreadful play and inability to even produce at the offensive end which is the one thing he was brought here to do, the loss of perkins, Shaq's injury (which wouldnt have mattered as much if we still had perk), and the lack of minutes Green is going to get (so why make the trade?)--was just the wrong move to make. As I said before, no one said that Perkins is the best center in the league. But the effect of the trade makes it feel that way, because trades aren't just about what the team looks like on paper. You have to look at the context, and in this context, it is the TRADE that was terrible. How good or bad Perkins was is not the whole story. To understand the whole story, you have to look at the chain in events that the trade made happen that are leaving the Celtics in a downward spiral. Hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, Shaq's return (if it happens) and the excitement of the postseason can put an end to the spiral.
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and no, GreenbeanD, the Celtics will NOT lose in the first round. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Even with the way they are playing now they wouldn't. You're crazy.
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"The only player in green that I have nothing negative to say about is Jermaine O'Neal. The C's were noticeably better with him on the floor. But Doc limited him to 14 minutes. And before people read too much into JO's impact and twist that into a "see... that's why we need Perkins"... just stop it. Please." Thank you so much RedsArmy for finally saying that the Celtics need him on the floor and not Krstic. They are a BETTER team when Krstic is NOT on the floor, because Jermaine makes that difference defensively. I don't care how much you people who love Krstic think he is good offensively, it DOESN'T MATTER. He REALLY hurts them defensively. I could name you many more plays where this happened, but just for starts: First play in for Krstic, he goes out to hedge on a ballscreen bottom left side of your screen. Now, if you know basketball well, you know that when you recover on defense the ball is now on the strong side of the floor (so you are now on the weak side), you need to recover back to your HELP POSITION and not to your man. Krstic of course, goes immediately back to his man, turns his head away from the ball, finally realizes too late where he's supposed to be, and bam...dunk for the bulls. Go back and look at your "DVR" like Banner18 talks about he does and check it out. Another example is in the picture above. That play he was on the week side and again was watching his man and didn't rotate late. So, whether it's how slow he is, or the fact that he doesn't know the defense, the problem is that he's not making the rotations fast enough, and it is COSTING THE CELTICS. Is defense their only problem? Absolutely not. But, when the Celtics had Perk, or even Shaq...or even Jermaine at times, they were able to win these LOW scoring games because they were able to hold the other team in the 70's as well. Lastly, I am kind of getting sick of this whole "small ball" thing Doc is doing. I understand it is partly because Shaq is out, and partly because he is resting guys, but it is really hurting them. This, I think, is the problem with their offense too, not just their defense. The point of playing small ball is to be quicker than the other team, run out, and get easy baskets. The problem is, the Celtics are NOT getting stops with the small lineup (thus not running) and even when they do get stops with that lineup they often don't run. As a result, they are handicapping themselves at BOTH ends of the floor with the small lineup. The good news is, hopefully this will change in the playoffs, assuming this 39 year old man we are trusting since making the Perkins deal can come back and play some minutes for them. RedsArmy, no one is making Perk out to be a mythological figure. What people who really know basketball are saying is that not having him just makes them have to rely on having Shaq on the court, which in and of itself is a problem, because when he's not out there (even worse when him and Jermaine aren't out there), this team CLEARLY struggles on both ends due to this "small ball" they are forced to play. But, I'm glad someone finally agrees that Krstic's "offensive prowess" that many people say he has is negated by his inability to help the Celtics on the defensive end, and the Celtics are CLEARLY a better team with the other guys on the floor. For all of you that disagree with me now and have been disagreeing, look at his +/- game by game since joining this team...even in the games he was scoring a lot (about 2). He was scoring, but they were giving up way more points when he was in. If you STILL disagree, wait and see when the playoffs come if he's playing good minutes, and if he's forced to, wait and see what the result is.
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Banner18, I don't know if you got a chance to see this before, so I figured I'd post this again buddy ;) : Have a good one! appreciate you telling me how big of a fan I am. You and I are very close, so you do know a ton about me to judge how much I know of the sport and this. I also watched every preseason and summer league game, that means nothing. I don't consider that to make me more or less of a Celtic fan. I bet those 8 extra games you watch per year give you a VAST knowledge of the team that I am totally unaware of. That Washington Wizards game I missed back in December to study for my exam? Shit, that really showed you something about this team didn't it? Makes you a better fan than I am, that's for sure. I'm a die hard fan, but also a college student-athlete, so those 8 extra games you get to watch I don't have time for. Guess that was where I missed the part about Krstic being solid. There is absolutely no chance the Celtics win an NBA championship with Krstic starting at center. It's called being realistic. First off, he hasn't played well offensively. Second, I couldn't care less about offense with this team. This team used to be able to fall back on something when the offense was sputtering: tough minded, physical defense. Now they have to find that again, and it will be with the 2 O'Neals...NOT Krstic. He simply doesn't have what it takes to battle in the post for a 7 game series...why do you think Oklahoma City let him go? Btw, next time you try to claim to me that you know more about BASKETBALL than I do....stay away from the Red Sox references....I don't know anything about nor do I give a shit about baseball. Get your head out of your ass man, I'm not trying to compare myself to any other Celtics fan. I'm just telling it how I see it as a knowledgeable student of the game, and a die hard Celtics fan. Thanks for the personal attack though, hope you proved it to yourself that you're their #1 guy.
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Banner18, appreciate you telling me how big of a fan I am. You and I are very close, so you do know a ton about me to judge how much I know of the sport and this. I also watched every preseason and summer league game, that means nothing. I don't consider that to make me more or less of a Celtic fan. I bet those 8 extra games you watch per year give you a VAST knowledge of the team that I am totally unaware of. That Washington Wizards game I missed back in December to study for my exam? Shit, that really showed you something about this team didn't it? Makes you a better fan than I am, that's for sure. I'm a die hard fan, but also a college student-athlete, so those 8 extra games you get to watch I don't have time for. Guess that was where I missed the part about Krstic being solid. There is absolutely no chance the Celtics win an NBA championship with Krstic starting at center. It's called being realistic. First off, he hasn't played well offensively. Second, I couldn't care less about offense with this team. This team used to be able to fall back on something when the offense was sputtering: tough minded, physical defense. Now they have to find that again, and it will be with the 2 O'Neals...NOT Krstic. He simply doesn't have what it takes to battle in the post for a 7 game series...why do you think Oklahoma City let him go? Btw, next time you try to claim to me that you know more about BASKETBALL than I do....stay away from the Red Sox references....I don't know anything about nor do I give a shit about baseball. Get your head out of your ass man, I'm not trying to compare myself to any other Celtics fan. I'm just telling it how I see it as a knowledgeable student of the game, and a die hard Celtics fan. Thanks for the personal attack though, hope you proved it to yourself that you're their #1 guy.
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I would definitely consider myself a die-hard celtics fan, as i watch about 72-75 games a year realistically since 1999. However, I am a realistic one. I'm not saying this is true for every fan, but MANY, MANY celtics fans are reacting so strongly to each and every thing that happens with this team...every game. Yes, the trade was bad. I was one of those fans that was (and still am) worried about this team since the trade. Do they have a shot at winning it all? Of course. As I half-jokingly (at the time) texted my friend a month ago...if Nenad Kristic does not play, they have a good chance of winning it all. It's simple, the defense with him in the game decreases tenfold. They are absolutely porous on defense. People on WEEI talk about how some Celtic fans are overrating Kendrick Perkins as a player...Bull shit. No one is saying he has Bill Russell stats. No one says he is Dwight Howard. What he is, is a big man that is tough and made it possible for the Celtics to play the defense they want to play. This win showed me that what I jokingly said a month ago, actually is true. If Kristic isn't on the floor, the Celtics are a good team. Look at last nights box score: every quarter after he was injured the defense got better. Thank god Jermaine is back. Lastly, RedsArmy, don't go crazy with this win. It was a great win and showed that the Celtics can play with and beat anyone...but we already knew that. Yes, Rondo attacked more than he did in some of those games since the trade, but you're failing to realize that most of the reason they were so good last night was because he just simply MADE more shots from mid-range. I recall several games over the Celtics bad streak where he was 2/11, 2/12, 4/15. Don't confuse the fact that he was simply making more shots last night by saying that was way more aggressive attacking the hoop. There were other games he was just as aggressive shooting but just didn't make shots. Clearly, the Celtics are unstoppable when he is making them. Let's hope it continues and that Krstic continues to sit.
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