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30 minutes to draft. ooooooooooooooooo
Now the Lakers need to trade Ron-Ron to Minnesota, ... so they can have the Peace and Love team.
Half an hour to the draft and only ONE trade so far. CM'ONNNNNNNNNNNN. Get off your butts all you NBA GMs and give us something interesting to talk about.
Well, at least the Lakers will have World Peace next season... literally. Ron Artest has filed a petition in LA County Superior Court to change his name to World Peace.
>>>Would it mean that the team could remove that player's salary from >>>counting toward the salary cap by buying them out in some way? That's exactly what it did last time. You paid off the full contract, and you couldn't re-sign that player, but their salary stopped counting against the cap and the luxury tax. >>>It seems like the only way the amnesty clause would help the Lakers in the >>>free agent market is if Kobe took it and re-signed for the veteran's minimum. And that's why it doesn't allow a player to re-sign with the same team that cut him. Oh, and BTW, even if Kobe did that, the Lakers would still be something like 10 million over the salary cap. They'd be right about at the luxury tax limit.
Tom, I like Felton a lot, assuming the Lakers could somehow get a third big to replace Lamar. Having Derrick Caracter as the third big on the team would make me a little nervous.
2 hours and counting until the draft. I'm hoping to see Stern come to the podium say those magic words... "There's been a trade. The Lakers send Luke Walton to the Philadelphia Seventy-Sixers. The Sixers send Andre Igoudala to the Minnesota Timberwolves, and the Timberwolves send the #2 pick, Jonny Flynn and future considerations to the Lakers... Oh yeah, and the Lakers send Lamar Odom to Philadelphia as well." All very peachy until that last line, huh?
DAMMIT. Sacramento-Charlotte-Milwaukee? That's it?
LakerTom, >>> Lamar for Raymond Felton Maybe. I don't think the Lakers and Denver have spoken. Or at least I haven't seen any rumors that specifically claim they have. It's pure big for little and it doesn't reduce salary, so it's not perfect. >>>Lamar for Monta Ellis Reportedly offered and turned down. GS wants more for Ellis. >>> Lamar for Wolves #2 Pick. Again, reportedly offered and turned down. TWolves are loaded at PF, so Lamar's not really a good fit there. >>>Lamar for Andre Iguodala I honestly think this was a stepping stone toward Lamar for Wolves #2 pick. The idea would be to trade for Iggy, then pass Iggy on to Minnesota for the #2 (maybe and another player). The blogoshpere now out of Philly is that Philly thinks Lamar wouldn't be happy playing in Philly and would get all mopey and suck, so they don't want him. If they change their mind, I think this has as much chance of getting done as anything.
>>>So what better name than the LUKE WALTON AMNESTY CLAUSE! The >>>worst damn pound for pound dollar for dollar return on ur investment >>>contract in the history of the nba!!! Ironically, if it happens, I'm not sure they wouldn't use it on Ron Artest's 28 million over the next 3 years instead of Luke Walton's 11 millino over the next 2 years. History of the NBA? Seriously? How about FULL MLE for Jerome James. Way more money than Luke got and he barely touched the floor. At least Luke had a couple of seasons where he played a reasonable amount of minutes and contributed something. How about Greg Oden? More injury plagued than Luke and Bill combined. There are hundreds of contracts worse than Luke's.
From http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sixerville/Source-Nothing-to-.html "A league source says there is nothing to the rumors of a possible Sixers trade with the Lakers."
Hoopsworld is now talking Lamar for Ray Felton. Not sure I would do that unless they threw in the #22 pick.
>>>I get that it's a business, but I don't understand the thinking of trading big >>>pieces of a championship core for unproven players. Again, I'll refer back to the potential eminent hard cap theory. If the Lakers are going to be forced to reduce salary down to 80 million when the new CBA is signed, then they probably won't get to keep all four of Kobe/Pau/Drew/Lamar anyway (those four make 72 million next season). Thus trading off Pau or Lamar for a lot less salary is less painful then cutting every other player on the roster and signing a bunch of CBA players to play alongside the big 4.
Or they should try to buy a late lottery pick and hope that Kemba Walker or Jimmer Fredette slides down to them.
If the Lakers can't manage to pull off a trade for the #2 pick, they should try to buy a pick near the end of the first round. It would give them better odds of snagging someone like Malcolm Lee or Tyler Honeycutt or Nolan Smith. Late in the first round would get them a young energetic player with a guaranteed low salary for 4 to 5 years.
What's funny is that this is supposed to be a "weak" draft, yet teams are going insane trying to trade into the lottery range. Offering players like Odom and Tony Parker and George Hill and what have you to get a high draft pick. It's crazy.
JAMF... I'm saying I don't know. But I think it's actually about money. Lamar + Luke's salary out, $4million in for the rookie = 9 million savings. If there's a hard cap, that might make the tough decisions a little bit easier.
JAMF, So, you think trading a quality, near All-Star player for a draft pick is a bad idea? So for example, you wouldn't trade Vlade Divac in his prime for a draft pick to draft Kobe Bryant? I just want to make sure I understand clearly.
From cbssports.com... "A recent conversation between the Warriors and Lakers centered around Lamar Odom and Shannon Brown going to Golden State for Ellis, but those talks went nowhere, sources said." I wonder if the offer was for Ellis and the #11 pick (which they could then try to parlay into Tony Parker or George Hill).
Letter to Randall4Showtime, Did you see the Lakers workout with Derrick Williams? Do you know their expectations for how well he'll perform next year of for his career? Do you remember trading Vlade Divac for a draft pick WAAAAAY at the end of the lottery? There might be more to this than just chemistry.
>>>Also anything that can get rid of Luke's massive contract will go a long way. Again, misconception. Luke's "massive" contract is 11 million over the next 2 years. If the new CBA offered an amnesty, and the Lakers still had Luke and Artest, I'm not sure they wouldn't keep Luke and dump Artest's 28 million over 3 years instead.
Hey Chris Palmer, The Lakers once traded their starting center for a draft pick... and look how that turned out.
Hey Chris Palmer, There was no threat of a hard cap two years ago.
Worth reposting from the last thread, as it puts a new perspective on things... If you do a trade before the draft, then the previous year's salaries count for salary matching and such, and draft picks count as 0 for salary matching. In other words, if the Lakers trade Pau right now, then they'd have to take something like 16 million back. BUT If you do a trade AFTER the draft, then NEXT year's salaries count Technically it can't be completed until after they compute the next year's salary cap, but you can submit trades to the league and they will be pending approval after the cap is in place. and Minnesota has enough cap space to absorb one of the big Laker cap spaces under next season's salary numbers. So what if the Lakers assume that the "flex cap" will pass, and they know the specific number the owners are going to push. Maybe 90 million. Maybe 80 million. Maybe these trades for Lamar or Pau aren't because the Lakers are unhappy with their performance last year. Maybe they're just trying to work a trade to get under the number without giving up 4 or 5 players. Think about it. Forget about all the extra players. If the rumored trade offer Pau Gasol for Kevin Love +#2 pick (which Minnesota would select for the Lakers), then the Lakers would turn one great players into two very good players and cut 9 million off of their salary. Similarly, if the offer was Odom for the #2, that cuts 5 million. If they manage to do Odom + Walton for Igoudala, then trade Igoudala for the #2 pick (and nothing else), again, they'll cut about 9 million off of their payroll (and keep Pau). Note that it's not possible to trade Blake (for example) to some team, get less back, and save 9 million. Only trades involving Kobe/Pau/Drew/Lamar could get them that kind of savings.
Okay, so here's my latest thought... If you do a trade before the draft, then the previous year's salaries count for salary matching and such, and draft picks count as 0 for salary matching. In other words, if the Lakers trade Pau right now, then they'd have to take something like 16 million back. BUT If you do a trade AFTER the draft, then NEXT year's salaries count Technically it can't be completed until after they compute the next year's salary cap, but you can submit trades to the league and they will be pending approval after the cap is in place. and Minnesota has enough cap space to absorb one of the big Laker cap spaces under next season's salary numbers. So what if the Lakers assume that the "flex cap" will pass, and they know the specific number the owners are going to push. Maybe 90 million. Maybe 80 million. Maybe these trades for Lamar or Pau aren't because the Lakers are unhappy with their performance last year. Maybe they're just trying to work a trade to get under the number without giving up 4 or 5 players. Think about it. Forget about all the extra players. If the rumored trade offer Pau Gasol for Kevin Love +#2 pick (which Minnesota would select for the Lakers), then the Lakers would turn one great players into two very good players and cut 9 million off of their salary. Similarly, if the offer was Odom for the #2, that cuts 5 million. If they manage to do Odom + Walton for Igoudala, then trade Igoudala for the #2 pick (and nothing else), again, they'll cut about 9 million off of their payroll (and keep Pau). Note that it's not possible to trade Blake (for example) to some team, get less back, and save 9 million. Only trades involving Kobe/Pau/Drew/Lamar could get them that kind of savings.