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Very much dislike Sherman, but on this one he had a very good point, and I agree it was a very good game by Wallace... but not necessarily FOR Wallace. Wallace's underneath routes, and even deep misses and attention sold the D on focusing on him, which opened Hartline and Matthews for easier routes. That's exactly what a #1 receiver does. A #1 receiver also makes huge plays when needed.. which he hasn't done yet. But we can share blame to Tannehill there. Neither have lived up to expectations yet.
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Mark, dude, sorry but I'll simply have to quit here. You're going Henne on me to defend a position.. time to bow out, or this gets silly ;) Look guys, it's simple. I love my Fins, and I'm proud of their season so far. We have some pretty good players, and Ireland has done some decent things. But he's been terrible at other things in my opinion. He's the sole sore spot that I feel is preventing us from being a powerhouse. With him (and perhaps despite him) we're a competitor. But i feel we could be a juggernaut, and have missed it, numerous times. So no need to defend our precious Fins to me. I don't think being a homer helps them win any more than being a pessimist. I'm neither. I'm trying to be real, and honest. And I honestly think Ireland is sub-par. And I've given fair reasons. And you disagree. I get it. And good for you. But I believe many of you disagree on the basis that all things Fins are good, and that anyone with a gripe against a Fins element must be argued against. THIS I am vehemently against. Being a fan to me means more than being supportive of every decision. It means occasionally speaking up so the team can understand that we the fans will not be sold a bill of goods. Like coaches expect the best from their players, we expect the best from our team's decision makers. And we root them on every week regardless of agreement. But that does not change the issues. And so I address them. Even if it is to the wind.
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Mark, I figured someone would try to stick that round peg in the square hole. Out of 5 drafts, and Ireland has picked a grand total of three quality starters on offense. Tannehill (who is improving, but still not a certainty), Hartline (steady but not star) and Pouncey. As good as Pouncey is, I still disagree with taking a center that high in any draft. I really know of none that have been taken that high. If we had taken Dalton or Kaepernick that draft, would anyone have whined that we missed out on Pouncey? Tannehill was the crowd choice, and Sherman's choice, so Ireland picked him, and did his job. If he passed on Tannehill, there was Russell Wilson hanging around, or Cousins. So technically he could've picked another star first round, and still got a franchise QB. He did his job with Tannehill. But I see nothing to applaude him for except NOT screwing it up. Ireland is good at finding sleeper UFA talent, and some useful players late rounds on defense, and some pretty good D talent overall in the draft. Can't draft receivers, or backs, or TEs, and has missed on most lineman picks. btw, I'm sure someone will argue Clay, or Martin for good offense starters. Clay was on the garbage heap a few weeks ago - so long way from proven. And Martin is serviceable currently, but no one is talking quality yet.
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Craig, I would have rather him been serious about finding a premium replacement. Pro-bowl replacements don't come cheap. He cheaped out. Other teams went after their men and signed them. Ireland played flea-market haggler. And at the VERY end of the day (man many days long) Martin was the best choice left. Come on man, you being a little too rosy here. No where did Ireland show/say/express faith in Martin as a left tackle until the options were gone. I'm not making this up. He actually was planning on signing any of the above FAs, and was considering the Albert trade, but the prices just never got him where he wanted to be. So if the prices DID come down, and we got McKinnie, or whoever else at LT, would you now be saying he did the right thing? The only reason none of those guys including Long weren't signed was price. And yeah, I would've rather had Long back. He was a leader, and when he played well was pro-bowl caliber. You don't let those people go unless they prove they can't play anymore. Replacing them is far more difficult.
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No, sorry NeMo. I give Philbin Croyle and Tannehill way more credit for taking good (not great) talent and getting them to work well together so far. Belichik doesn't have premium talent everywhere, and forms them into a winning group. I hardly credit their GM primarily for the Pats success. Ireland has no idea how to draft for offense. That's a pretty big handicap (50%)
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Craig, By Ireland's own actions, Martin was not anywhere near the top of his wish list to take over at LT. Long was too expensive, all the other LT candidates were too expensive, Albert was expensive and costly. And there were several tackles that never even got a visit. Martin was option 4-5 maybe. So our starting left tackle is there because he's less expensive. Clabo was bargain basement. If Ireland had made the stand and said that Martin was truly a great option unless something incredible falls in our lap -- then I'd say he's taking a chance, but one he believed in. But it's obvious he didn't from the start. He just didn't want to pay top dollar for a top LT, and went through every avenue before settling with Martin, and then Clabo. Disagree as you like, but I'll stick with my assessment. There's two things IMHO that Ireland has botched badly, and that's the line situation, and the running backs. The rest is a little hit and miss but coming around. believe as you like, but I'm pretty peeved about those two situations, as they were very fixable, and for longer than a year.
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Armando, I agree with everything you said except for the your opinion that the Fins made the best of a Jake Long leaving. Ireland failed miserably, sloppily, botched, bumbled the whole affair (including Long), and ended up with a left tackle choice that was clearly NOT in HIS 3rd best option list. Sorry, but he doesn't get a pass for handling a bad situation the he created, and got worse as he handled it. The rest is about right. ************ I'm wondering if Clay is going to fall back to earth, of if he's had some light turn on for real.
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Exposing the fraud (??) Have a look around this forum, and you may quite a lot of folks who aren't living in Miami, but are Fins fans. Not exactly fraudulant. For the record, I am from Florida, and moved here for my work. A HATE the Lakers, btw, and USC. And I watch a lot of football in general. And I'm a draft nut, so i made a point to watch games where touted draft stars played so I could evaluate them. Why am I a draft nut? Not sure. Compulsion. But I am. So hopefully that gets your blessing. ;)
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DC, I agree he's growing in leadership role. One reason is that he's a vet compared to most of the offensive talent we have now. But he does seem to have stepped up his resposibility role. At A&M, I can't tell you how many times he looked beaten and bland coming off the field after tossing picks that cost his team the game, or blew throws that would've won it, or watching his offense struggle for whatever reason. Too accepting and clueless at that time. I expect QBs to drive that winning bus, not just sit on it and hope. He's improved. More to go.
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ola, Weeden is more accurate, and a better pure-passer, and more decisive than Tannehill right now. But he panics too quick under pressure, forces things, and doesn't move well. Plus he wouldn't fit the youth movement Ireland is working on in Miami. At the point we picked a QB, I would have picked Cousins (still would). I wasn't a buyer on Wilson at the time, but he did have a lot of things that i liked overall, especially his attitude and smarts. Obviously a steal now to look back, but he was still in the fence-sitting area of my board where he, Tannehill, Osweiler, and even Keenum occupied. Tannehill obviously had great physical skills, I just didn't like his decisions, and ability to read the field quickly, and certain throws looked more shakey that others. And leadership qualities seemed vague. I still think some of those things are questionable. But I do like his improvement to date. A ways to go, but definitely improving.
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DC, and Woodshed (and Mando too)... I don't particularly think there is such a marketed effort to dis the Fins, or our Qb. And I said, I'm not a fan yet of Tannehill's. He's my team's QB, so I root for him. But he still has to prove to me that he's worth it (he was 5th-6th on my QB draft board that year). And PFF is just one of many sources -sometimes interesting, sometimes dumb. In this case, I think the data is inaccurate - and kinda dumb. But I hardly think Tannehill is tops in any catagory either. But I don't think he's on the bottom this week in any catagory. He played well enough to win against the Browns. Period. Hardly tops or bottom. You're fine with me Armando. Keep feeding the masses. And we'll reserve the right to occasionally disagree.
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Tannehill least accurate under pressure? Hmm. I counted only 1 INT. Forgetting other week 1 QBs (cough, cough Gabbert), Weeden alone had way more INTs under pressure. Unless we're counting an INT as accurate, then I'd rather have a ball spray way wide and out of play, then come close but get picked. I'm not even a Tannehill fan or apologist, but that data about under-pressure accuracy is.. well, inaccurate IMHO.
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Agree Armando. Here's my random thoughts: 1. Sherman's A&M offense looks like they were running in mud compared to Sumlin's A&M offense now. We have A&M's old offense. 2. We keep insisting on using quick, light shifty backs to run into crowded trenches, with no fullback, and expect different results. We either need stronger power backs, or get our lighter ones into open space. 3. We're still trying to run to set up the pass. Old school thinking. 4. We have 3 alpha-dog nose tackles, all starter quality. Someone is going to be pissed all year. Why not trade one for a power RB?
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Aaron Rogers gets sacked too much (holds ball), costs his team yards. But def in top 3-4. Shaub. U kidding? Might lose his job to Keenum this year. Drop em' much further down. If Texans had serious QB they'd be in the Super Bowl. Dalton higher, Newton and Vick lower (they've proven nothing, and done nothing).
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b333... Sanchez disappoints Rex. Ha! Ya think? How dumb is the media and the Jets organization to still after how many frikin years act like Sanchez is either a game away from losing his job (game after game after game after....). And yet they still cling to him like some drugged and beaten wife. Good lord. They drafted their franchise QB (they think). They tried to ditch Sanchez for anyone else the last 2 years, and still clung to him, and then paid him even more. Ugh. Tebow may have left, but the ignorant denial circus stayed. His circus was at least fun. The Jets. snort.
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Flip again? Oscar you know me better. If I miss, I own (I've missed and owned plenty before). If I predict correctly, I crow (just a little). I'm trying to allow room to say that IF the standard sets are different than last year, and the product is open space for backs .. then Gillislee and Miller are better prospects than the pounders that we needed last year. Bush would even work well in a open system. But he couldn't work well enough last year because the line running was so tight. That opens up, and Gillislee/Miller types are better suited. So, I'm just saying my opinion is for what I've already seen, but should the scheme change (like it SAYS it is), then my opinion should change. Not rocket science.
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Mark, Craig, and Bobby. The Bleacher Report article I read (might be the same) simply put out the argument that Odrick isn't going to get the DE reps he wants anymore, and that IF he can work as a DT then he's set. But IF NOT, then he's a man with a hazy future. I think we can agree that's probably true. As far as Egnew? They liked him so much they signed a big free agent to start, and drafted another guy to "compete". Egnew is already a man with a hazy future.
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I'll go on record again with this. The media and coaches keep "talking" about Gillislee, and he's only in shorts. So, they "love" Miller, and he's the heir supposedly, ...but they are "talking" about Gillislee. I predict Gillislee will have more snaps at the end of the season than Miller. He can just plain do more things. Miller may upgrade his skillset, and form, in which case he may be way better than I imagine him, but if not... Gillislee is better. And once again... I don't think either is a #1 feature back. However... I do have to reserve the right to change that opinion if this 4 receiver set is more of a standard this year than the up-the-gut running of last year. With a wider set, and more open space, Gillislee and Miller are better suited than pile-pushing backs. Hope so.
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YG, I don't particularly care of the guys name is Squeezey McWetfart, as long as he can ball, make first downs, and score a few TDs. But I doubt I'd want to buy a McWetfart jersey - just the same.
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btw, to add to my previous post... McNutt 6'3" (or 4" by some measurements), 216lbs, 4.5 40, and is the all-time receiving yards leader at Iowa. No mention by Dolphin media. Welcome the new 5th string QB though. Whatever his name is.
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I'm a little surprised that we have a multi-referenced notice about some back-up to a back-up tackle/fullback, and a 4th/5th string QB, but no mention of signing 2nd year WR Marvin McNutt. McNutt was on my list in last year's draft as a solid prospect for #2, or #3 receiver spot. Sounds like he's not gotten much field time, and teams gave up on him. Maybe for good reason. Maybe not. Plenty of players have suddenly shined in a new system after being ignored by former teams. Guess we'll see. But I'm surprised he's fallen through the cracks in the Dolphin media too.
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YG, as always, you'd argue with me about which direction the sun comes up. You have your opinions, I have mine. Gillislee was the remainder of the Urban Meyer sytem that had backs as space runners. He was tougher and heavier than the others, and that was why he didn't get more playing time behind Rainey and Demps. But he was as effective when given the shot. What none of the backs could do was run behind Weiss's pro-style blocking. You needed heavier, more bully style backs for that job. Alabama types. And Yes, the blocking did suck, which is why we had trouble winning tight games against solid D-lines. Gillislee will excell in a system where he can get some space, or swing passes. Supposedly that was Shermans' system, although I saw too much ground-n-pound style last year. And Bush wasn't built for it. Did his best, tried hard, but it's not his game. Miller excels in space too. Hopefully we'll have a lot more of that, the ol' WC offense style, and the backs will fit well. What neither will fit well into is the 1st and 2nd down up the gut runs. Or 3rd and 1 power dive. I'd like to think that's not our offense, but I saw a LOT of that last year. So I'm assuming that will be back to some extent. But, I suppose I'll see some statistic in your posts to tell me I'm full of it, so I'll be quiet, and let you guys pass around your reasons for making me out to be a moron. Have a nice Saturday, gents.
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DD, I like Gillislee better than Miller, because he isn't shy about charging into a hole. But he just doesn't have the chops when it comes to getting the tough yardage. That was always Florida's downfall was the tough yardage run game. They resorted to the QB for tough yards, even when Tebow was there. Their RB stable was full of quick guys who needed space. Yes, every back wants space, and most every NFL back looks great when they have a nice hole. But in the NFL, you don't get good holes a lot. Bush couldn't hack that either (I wasn't a fan of him as a feature back). The games you watched, I don't recall specifics, but LSU got game-panned by our blocking scheme, and didn't recover. Once Gillislee had a hole, he excelled. Other games, UF blocking was sorely lacking, and Gillislee had to be creative. He isn't creative. Miller IS creative. And he's a dangerous threat when he has the ball. What he isn't is hard nosed. The great traffic runners deliver blows. They lower shoulders, and will themselves the extra yard. Other guys brace for impact, clench and take the blow. Miller is a taker, not a deliverer. Bush tried to be tough, he just didn't have the size or strength to beat the solid tackles. Miller might be able to, but he has to change from the back I saw last year. Maybe he will. But I doubt it. It's inside you, not what coach teaches you.
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NostrodamJS (in LA) sez... 1. Most of the complainers about Jordan will end up buying his jersey in a year or two. Jordan will end up being the photo icon when they show match-ups on the TV: Brady vs. Jordan (eg). The rest of the complainers will just find different ways to complain. 2. Gillislee not only has a shot to beat out Miller for starting job, but will end up with more minutes near the end of the season. But neither Gillislee nor Miller is our answer, and we will be signing or drafting our starting RB next year. Miller doesn't have the iron-jaw to push thru traffic, and Gillislee is just not feature back material. I watched every down he ran at Florida, and though he tries very hard, he just can't create anything when it's jammed. With a hole, he's as good as anyone else though. He's a solid back-up, and versatile - just not a feature back. 3. The Jets and Bills are going to fall flat on their faces. Manual is talented but doesn't have any intangibles - my guess is it'll be several years before they know for sure if he's going to blossom or not. G.Smith is going to be a J.Russell bust. His career film says that once he got game-planned against, he couldn't beat it - even WITH T.Awesome, and S.Bailey. That and the supposed knocks against his work ethic, attitude, and I don't see a multi-million dollar star being very humble on Broadway. The Jets will bend every rule they have, and coax and cajole for at least 3 years before they finally realize their fate. So... that leaves a solid but not spectacular Miami team sniffing at the Patriots heels on their own. And even though i think Patriots are still better .. I don't think they got very much out of their draft class. So how soon? Not sure. Depends on Tannehill's progress.
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In other news..... JETS. ha ha! http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-york-jets-geno-smith-bad-attitude-during-team-visits-050213 I think this guy is going to tank harder than Jamarcus Russell. not because of this attitude issue, ...but it helps.
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