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The last thing the owners want to do is to implement a draconian hard salary cap that would force teams to cut players. They’re smart enough to realize that doing that could cause more ill will with their paying customers than a lockout. Nothing in the new CBA is going to break teams up. That would be contrary to everything we’re seeing right now, which is the owners and players really trying to avoid a lockout, especially with the NFL looking like it will successfully do the same. … What the owners are trying to do is get a hard cap installed to limit the current problem from getting out of hand down the road. If they can get the players to buy into a hard cap, the trade off would be that the cap would be set at $95M or $100M to start with so existing teams would not have to be broken up. It’s actually an inspired tactic by the owners to sell a hard cap for the future. …. Lamar Odom for Anderson Varejao and the #4 pick? I think I would do it in a heartbeat unless there is any health issues with Varejao. While we would get slower and become a poorer 3-point shooting team, we probably would be able to land Kemba Walker, whom I think has great potential to be a star. The more I think about the move the more I like it. It’s offense for defense and a point guard. Or a future star small forward if the Lakers have another game plan in mind to get a new point guard. … One thing that I think all the trade rumors have probably done is put a fire under Pau Gasol’s butt. As he contemplates finishing his career in places like Minnesota or Cleveland, I’ll bet he finally realizes what tanking the playoffs might ultimately cost him. Who knows. Maybe that’s why the Lakers have been shopping him – to let him know how close he is to blowing his career in purple and gold. So if we don’t trade him, the chances are good that he will be more motivated than he was last year. ………………………. TOM
The last thing the owners want to do is to implement a draconian hard salary cap that would force teams to cut players. They’re smart enough to realize that doing that could cause more ill will with their paying customers than a lockout. Nothing in the new CBA is going to break teams up. That would be contrary to everything we’re seeing right now, which is the owners and players really trying to avoid a lockout, especially with the NFL looking like it will successfully do the same. … What the owners are trying to do is get a hard cap installed to limit the current problem from getting out of hand down the road. If they can get the players to buy into a hard cap, the trade off would be that the cap would be set at $95M or $100M to start with so existing teams would not have to be broken up. It’s actually an inspired tactic by the owners to sell a hard cap for the future. …. Lamar Odom for Anderson Varejao and the #4 pick? I think I would do it in a heartbeat unless there is any health issues with Varejao. While we would get slower and become a poorer 3-point shooting team, we probably would be able to land Kemba Walker, whom I think has great potential to be a star. The more I think about the move the more I like it. It’s offense for defense and a point guard. Or a future star small forward if the Lakers have another game plan in mind to get a new point guard. … One thing that I think all the trade rumors have probably done is put a fire under Pau Gasol’s butt. As he contemplates finishing his career in places like Minnesota or Cleveland, I’ll bet he finally realizes what tanking the playoffs might ultimately cost him. Who knows. Maybe that’s why the Lakers have been shopping him – to let him know how close he is to blowing his career in purple and gold. So if we don’t trade him, the chances are good that he will be more motivated than he was last year. ………………………. TOM
@HOBBITMAGE … “I could be like some and try and trade away everyone I dislike or who interferes w/ my favorite player getting more court time, but what's the point?” LOL. In your case, you don’t trade them. You just rip them a new one, especially if they threaten to take away shots from Kobe. … As for Minny asking about Bynum. That was the logical move after the Lakers asked for Love and the #2. Minny countered with Bynum for Love and the #2 and the Lakers naturally said no. With all the hullabaloo surrounding Ricky’s press conference, the big bump in selling season tickets, we may still see Kahn buckle and blink and give us what we want for Pau, which is Love and the #2 et al. ............................. @FEARLESS … You crazy wack job, you. Man, days of the 55-game bandwagon. At least Ireland gave us some recognition. Spiro apparently turned down the Lakers. Anyway, I love Bill MacDonald and have always wanted to hear him do more games after he called Kobe’s 81. Replayed that game a few weeks ago and Bill was great. Sometimes I like having another fan in the booth, which wasn’t Joel. - You should sign up for Twitter. It’s not intrusive and I am sure Fearless or Fearless Wack Job would be available handles. Anyway, good to see you were paying attention, Robert. ………………………. TOM
@HOBBITMAGE ... “Didn't the T'wolves just ask for Bynum?” Yep, and guess what the Lakers told them? LOL. ........................................................... @YELLOFEVER ... “Guess what I'm sayin is you asked for typepad and MM delivered.. All u had to do was snap your fingers!! But you can't have ur cake and eat it too!! Its either one or the other :-)” ... Let’s see if it still works. Snaaaaaaaaaap! Snaaaaaaaaaap! Snaaaaaaaaaap! Snaaaaaaaaaap! Don’t know, Yelloi. I just snapped my fingers four times for four blog wishes but nothing happened yet. Guess I will have to wait a few days and see if my Lakers Blog wishes came true. LOL. ........................................................... TOM
Wow is right. Where is Spero? Anyway, all I remember about Bill MacDonald is that I thought he did a great job calling Kobe’s 81-point game. Most importantly, I’m glad to see Stu Lantz remaining. Smart announcer who always has great insights in my opinion and will always remind me of Chick. ........................................................... TOM
ROOTING TO GET KEVIN LOVE !!! ........................................................... In a bit of irony, I remember a few years ago when Kevin Love was a senior in high school in Oregon and he and Kyle Singler, another Northwest product, were being wooed heavily by UCLA and Duke. I remember waiting on pins and needles for the press conference when Kevin would select a school. He actually started the conference by giving some false hope to Duke before opting to go Bruin Blue. Kyle Singler, actually then chose Duke and is one of the better prospects in this year’s draft. ........................................................... TOM
Toggle Commented Jun 21, 2011 on Free agent profile: Earl Clark at Lakers Now
@LROB ... LOL. Hey, bottom line, I do trust the Lakers front office to make the right move. Their record on the big deals gives me confidence they won’t trade Drew unless his play next season were to regress. I also think there are only a few scenarios under which they would trade Pau or Lamar. As 888 used to wisely say, I trust the Lakers to make the right moves – even if it included Drew. ... I have a hunch that Thursday’s draft is going to be a very exciting draft what with all the potential deals being discussed. Frankly, it may be one of the toughest drafts yet to predict accurately. We should know a lot more about what the Lakers front office and other teams are thinking when we wake up on Friday morning. Hopefully, there will be a lot of happy Lakers smiles that morning. ... I hope that the blog awards being discussed by some are going to be positive efforts to appreciate and recognize bloggers for their contributions rather than just another opportunity to spew negativity and dredge up old wounds until they start bleeding again under the guise of just having some fun. Otherwise, I worry there won’t be any of us left willing to come to the LA Times Lakers Blog. ........................................................... TOM
GASOL FOR LOVE & #2 WATCH !!! ........................................................... David Kahn, the general manager of the Minnesota Timberwolves has just proclaimed that he is not going to trade Kevin Love. Kahn is gambling big that the Wolves will start winning and that will be enough to convince Kevin Love to forego free agency in two years and stay with the Timberwolves. Almost every other observer has noted that Kevin Love is not happy in Minnesota and is sure to bolt the first opportunity he gets. Assuming the Wolves tender him a qualifying offer the end of this year, Love will become a restricted free agent next year and will likely get an offer that the Wolves won’t match. Holding onto Love, who plays the same position as Gasol and won’t stay, doesn’t make sense. ... Kahn has a chance to trade Love, the #2 pick in the draft, and other players for one of the best power forwards in the game today. Unlike Love, Pau Gasol is a proven star power forward and the perfect candidate to mentor Ricky Rubio and make sure the Wolves franchise player’s career gets off to a successful start, which is a big concern after Ricky only averaged 5 ppg off the bench last year in the Euroleague. Additionally, Gasol is locked up for a full three years, assuring the Wolves he will be there. Kahn has basically gone “all in” on Ricky Rubio and believes Gasol is the right solution to get the team winning and to insure that their franchise player makes a successful NBA debut. ........................................................... TOM
@CCX ... Thanks for the second post. I was reading the first post and thought this new blogger is pretty good. Then I saw the tagline and said wait I know this poster. LOL. We’ve all become bloggers with multiple handles. ... I agree that Pau is the guy to shoot the hook shot. Talking about the Sky Hook, here is a great article on the shot by JJ Adande: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/features/kareem. ... And here is a video of George Miken (and Kareem and Magic) shooting the shot: http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/nba-best-skyhook-masters/b1a17e4e918d309fa0feb1a17e4e918d309fa0fe-1030619137247?q=best+hook+shot+nba&FORM=VIRE1 ................................. TOM
@LTLF… Great point and maybe the biggest. It’s what makes the Yankees such a juggernaut. They can spend whatever they want because their revenue stream is so great. This also suddenly means that the new CBA is going to be critical to whether the Lakers will be able to flex their financial muscle. Probably would have been better to wait until after the new CBA to announce the deal. ………………………. TOM
Toggle Commented Jun 21, 2011 on Free agent profile: Wilson Chandler at Lakers Now
@LTLF… I think the team will be willing to go up to $100M for three reasons: First, they know their window with Kobe may be closing sooner than expected and they don’t want to waste the opportunity. Second, they probably saved $10M with Mike Brown as coach versus Phil Jackson. And third, they know other teams have gotten better and need to improve. At least, that’s what I’m hoping. LOL. ………………………. TOM
Toggle Commented Jun 21, 2011 on Free agent profile: Wilson Chandler at Lakers Now
@TIM-4-SHOW ... Asking Drew to shoot a sky hook is liking asking him to do a ballet move. The guy on the team who really has the finesse and finger touch to shoot the sky hook is Pau Gasol. And yet neither he nor the Lakers had any interest in having Kareem teach him the shot. It’s not Drew’s shot. ………………………. TOM
Toggle Commented Jun 21, 2011 on Free agent profile: Wilson Chandler at Lakers Now
@TIM-4-SHOW … LOL. Come on, Tim. If the sky hook was that easy to learn, somebody would be using it right now. It has been replaced in today’s game with the jump hook, which you never saw in Kareem’s day. The sky hook if you do it correctly off of 1 foot is a total finesse touch move, much more difficult to master than the jump hook. In a way, it’s like the footwork for a high diver. It’s a ballet like move that if it were as simple to master as you say would be used today. Like Rick Barry’s underhanded free throws and old timer’s 2-handed set shots, it has become extinct in today’s game. ………………………. TOM
Toggle Commented Jun 21, 2011 on Free agent profile: Wilson Chandler at Lakers Now
@HOBBITMAGE … I thought I answered that. As far as learning how to play center in the NBA, I think Kareem was a perfect mentor. As far as modeling his game on Kareem, Drew is a different kind of player than Kareem was. For that role, someone like Moses Malone would have been better. ………………………. TOM
Toggle Commented Jun 21, 2011 on Free agent profile: Wilson Chandler at Lakers Now
@HOBBITMAGE ... I actually think Kareem was the perfect mentor for Drew because they shared so much mentally and intellectually even if the physical comparison was not ideal. I have no doubt that Drew’s intelligent view of the game and his role in it has been greatly influenced by Kareem. I just don’t think you can attribute his hesitancy to incorporate the sky hook in his repertoire as Drew slighting Kareem. I think they both have a genuine mutual respect for each other and their work together. I don’t find the sour grapes quote from Kareem about Drew to be anything but emotions at work when disappointed. Almost every word from either about the other has been positive. ... As for Kobe, you make a good point. I sure don’t ever want anybody to believe I am not a true and dedicated Kobe Bryant fan to the end. I love Kobe and unlike many posters on this blog I trust his intelligence and desire to win to overrule his passion for scoring and dominating games. I do not shy from admitting when I think he is not doing the best thing for his team or his career but I also don’t blow things like his pecking order comments or refusal to comment on Mike Brown out of perspective. I never really doubt that Kobe will adjust his play to meet what the team needs and what he can deliver as he approaches the end of his career, which I think is still a couple of year off. Where we differ is that I realize Kobe is just human and finding the right balance between his killer game and drive and the needs of a team is always a changing and difficult job that he does great. ................................. TOM
@LANCE ... Thanks for your comments about the sky hook. LOL. I used to kill other players in under 6’ leagues with my sky hook. Now that I cannot jump any more, it’s become my go-to move. I can also see the team bouncing back but I have to admit I no longer believe in Pau. ................................. @LROB ... Excellent points as always. I can’t conceive of a situation where we would trade Pau for Dwight but who knows. Some opportunities never come to fruition so I would take the first great move that comes for Pau, even if it is Love and the #2 rather than CP3 or DWill, although I would prefer the latter. My bet is that all three of these guys get traded – maybe before the trade deadline, but maybe not until they are free agents next summer. Those 3 aren’t going to go w/o a new CBA. ................................. TOM
@HOBBITMAGE ... Kareem was such a talented and coordinated guy that I don’t think his skill set and Drew’s are a good match. Can’t really name a center with his unique skill set. While Kareem had his questionable moments and a few silly fights in his time and some chips that still seem to be on his shoulder, he was overall a great pro with a genuine conscience and heart. A great player and a great human being in my mind and I think he and Drew probably shared a lot in common about the books they read and the subjects that interested them. Intelligent guys with shared mentality. ... Hopefully, part of what we saw from Drew last year when he focused almost exclusively on defense and rebounding during that infamous 17-1 streak was the result of the mentoring done by Kareem. Mentor or not, there comes a time when every player has to make his own mark. That’s what Drew needs to do next year. My main goal for Drew next year is not for him to get more shot attempts, although I do believe he will, but to reprise the exact same role he did during the big run – focus on defense and boards and let the rest of the game come to him as it may. That’s the winning formula. ... By the same token, I want to see Mike Brown get Kobe focused on defense again, shutting down his man and not free lancing looking for steals. Kobe can be a huge factor in helping shore up our perimeter defense just by his own play and focus. Getting him easier higher percentage shots on offense should leave him with more energy for playmaking and defense. I hope it just wasn’t offensive plays that had Mike and Kobe working on when they got together. Time for Kobe to walk the walk and earn his first team all-NBA defensive award. That’s my defensive game plan. ................................. TOM
@HOBBITMAGE ... Thanks for the link to Kareem’s interview. I’ve loved Kareem from back in his Lew Alcindor days. I always have a tough time deciding who was the GCOAT between Wilt, Russ, and Kareem. None of today’s center get close in my opinion, even Dwight Howard. ... As for emulating Kareem, I remember shooting dozens of sky hoots watching the shadows on my garage door to make sure I got the move right. Pretty sweet form if I do say so myself. But the fact that it’s a shot that has never been successfully copied by another big man probably speaks to the lack of players focusing on back to the basket moves as well as the difficulty of mastering the shot. ... Were I Drew, I would have definitely worked on that shot until I got it, just as I am sure you would. Of course, if I were Drew I would play with Noah’s motor, too. The problem is that everybody is different and has their own strengths and styles. I spent the entire last year trying to teach my grandson and his teammates how to make layups and shoot jumpers and you cannot believe the range of styles even 10-year old kids possess. Luckily, I had a couple of great shooters to go with a bunch of kids with jumpers that reminded me of Shawn Marion and Joakim Noah. ... Bottom line, I think Drew’s body type is more prone to playing like Shaq or a banger than a finesse player like Kareem. The guy who should really learn the sky hook is probably Pau Gasol. He has the type of body and moves that would be easier to incorporate the sky hook than Drew IMO. :-) ................................. TOM
@LROB... Trading Pau now for Love, the #2, et al doesn’t affect the Lakers ability to pull off a deal for Dwight since that deal would involve Drew rather than Pau and would likely happen during the season before the trade deadline or during free agency next summer, assuming we have a new CBA. ................................. @JIMJOYCE ... Yes, I would be willing to trade Lamar straight up for Ellis. While we would lose our 3-man 4/5 rotation, Ellis and Kobe could be a dynamic backcourt with two players who can get their own shot anytime. Since Ellis is really not a point guard, we would need Kobe to take over the point much like the Logo did late in his career. Ellis is a great driver and mid-range jump shooter and should be able to made into an excellent perimeter defender with the right coaching. It’s a gamble for sure because we would need to focus on signing a replacement for Lamar in free agency. I would not include David Lee in the deal and would not trade Pau for anybody but CP3, DWill, or Love and the #2. ................................. TOM
@LTLF ... Thanks for the detail. I love how these guys insert “may” to cover themselves. Got my fingers crossed. Other than getting Chris Paul or Deron Williams, this is the only other Pau trade that I think could be worth it. Congrats on another Friedman. Your virtual mantle overfloweth. ................................. TOM
@LTLF ... “Larry Coon reported that he heard reports that the Lakers offered Gasol to Minnesota for Kevin Love and he #2.” Great news, LTLF. Is this really a true report because I cannot find it anywhere on the Internet. Do you have a link or are you just teasing everybody? ... @MM ... Thanks for supporting Dan’s decision. Let’s keep the talk about basketball and remember we are all here for the same reasons. If you disagree, just ignore the other party rather than stalking them. A big reason why some people have left and don’t come back is that they cannot post a comment without their personal stalker immediately attacking them. That’s what needs to stop. ................................. TOM
@POINTFORWARD … “why would they trade any of their core when they took the east by storm this year?” LOL. You don’t think that a Big 3 of Howard, Wade, and Bosh is not better than James, Wade, and Bosh? I’d think about that twice if I were you. You’re looking at a much better balanced trio of stars who fit much like the Celtics Big 3 of Garnett, Pierce, and Allen. And if LeBron is the player most GM’s would pick to build a franchise around, the trade makes perfect sense for both teams. It would be a nightmare for the Lakers of course because Miami would be much better ............................ @LTLF… Man, nothing to get testy about. I asked because I value your opinion and I must have missed your post about it among the million trade scenarios. My bad. Anyway, it’s the trade that should be talked about but isn’t. And unlike LeBron, I think Dwight would go there as the #1 player, not #2 as LeBron has become. Who knows what friction may lie below the surface. I said when they put this team together either LeBron is not an alpha dog or they will split before their contracts end. The type of opportunity that a LeBron for Dwight trade offers could be the fuel to fire it up. ………………………. TOM
HOOPSWORLD SECOND ROUND PICKS FOR LAKERS .................................. (41) Julyan Stone, PG, 6-7, 200#, 22-years old, UTEP (46) Jeremy Tyler, C, 6-11, 260#, 20-year old, TOKYO APACHE INT’L (56) Norris Cole, PG, 6-2, 175#, 22-year old, CLEVELAND STATE (58) Willie Reed, PF, 6-9, 220#, 21-year old, ST LOUIS .................................. TOM
@MM ... Can you get a list from the Lakers of the players that they worked out? That would be very interesting and I don’t think confidential but it would tell us a lot about Thursday’s draft. For example, did they work out Brandon Knight as rumored? If so, he might be the key to a possible Pau Gasol trade. Did they work out any other point guards besides Julyan Stone? That would tell us what they really thought about Stone and whether there was or was not a promise to draft him 41st. .................................. TOM
JULYAN STONE DOES NOT HAVE A PROMISE FROM THE LAKERS, BUT HIS STOCK IS RISING By Scott Schroeder for SBNation http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2011/6/16/2226659/julyan-stone-lakers-nba-draft-2011 .................................. This guy apparently impressed the Lakers in his workout and there were rumors that the Lakers had promised to take him with their 41st pick. Then it was like total silence. This was the first article since in which they say the Lakers have not made any promises to him. Could it be that the Lakers did promise to draft Julyan but when word got out they had to deny it. He could be our first pick. ... While you never know until they actually play in the NBA, Julyan looks to be exactly the type of player that Lakers need at point. Great size, court vision, pass first, athletic, and great defender, especially against smaller players. Miami also has their eye on Julyan. Here is a report from Alex Kennedy for HoopsWorld (http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=20166): ... “Julyan Stone has emerged as a potential first-round pick after a series of spectacular workouts. He has seen his stock skyrocket throughout this process because he's been able to dominate individual matchups against smaller guards in workouts and prove to teams that his game will translate well to the next level. The Los Angeles Lakers have expressed interest in him at #41, but he may not be on the board that late because the Miami HEAT may go with Stone at #31. Miami brought in Stone for a workout and then put him through an extensive physical that included blood work and a CAT scan. Others teams, including the New York Knicks, have also expressed interest in Stone, but they'll likely have to move into the first round to draft him.” .................................. TOM