Um, Jeff, you do realize that you built your sites on the Microsoft stack and ASP.NET, right? You look at PHP and you sneer. A lot of people coming from the open-source stacks would sneer at ASP.NET ... viewstate hidden fields, really? (Yeah I realize they have improved since then.) Don't get me wrong. I think Ruby and Node.js are the shiznit. But just like any other language, once you get used to PHP, you can do some amazing things in it. I am not talking about Wordpress, Drupal, Joomla, and user adoption. I am talking about making web applications that regular people can host, where you change one file via ftp and they are instantly updated without having to restart your server. I'm talking about isolated scripts so one request can't crash the server, about about class autoloading so they can just drop in a library and it works, about include( ) where and so forth. Of course, it doesn't help that most frameworks in PHP are just clones of Ruby On Rails or something like that. We released a framework that "truly" takes advantage of what PHP is about, http://phponpie.com as open source. And in the two years since then, we have enhanced it a lot as our framework Q. You will hear about it soon. Disclaimer: PHP, while useful, still suffers from the same problems that most imperative programming languages for web design do. The number of requests that it can handle at the same time is limited to the number of preforked processes. The worst part is when those processes have to wait on I/O. That's why evented is the future, and why Node.js rocks.