@ RonH - It is a possibility. Only you know the answer. But at some point, you do need to make up your mind one way or the other... or have it made for you, as it were, by default. And since none of us know how long we have on this earth, it would seem that this decision is *the most* important one we can ever make. But you keep speaking as though you have not been given sufficient evidence or answers. I'm not sure what evidence or answers you are looking for that you would then deem sufficient to accept.

@ RonH "I don't see how anybody could think this really happened " You've been at this site for a long time now. You are well familiar with all the reasons provided here. There is so much material to be had, and you have access to it all. But for those who have their minds set on rejecting it, no reasons/evidence is ever enough.

Take care, Greg! Get some rest and feel better soon.

Thank you so much for dealing with this issue. One point I have to make is that I reject the term "gay Christian". This comes across as accepting the world's view that being a homosexual is what you are and it cannot be changed either in behavior or desire, but then you choose to stay celibate in order to serve Christ. Yes, there are genuine followers of Christ who struggle with homosexual desires. But they are no more "gay Christians" than someone who struggles with alcohol abuse is an "alcoholic Christian". In Christ we are free! We must take on and learn to live in that identity, and not the identity of our particular sin. I can't see how someone can overcome/have sustained victory over a sin if they are always telling themselves they are that particular thing and thinking of themselves as being defined by that sin. Once someone is in Christ, that is their identity, and it is powerful to think in those terms and not in terms of what their sin used to be. This is especially true when it comes to homosexuality, because it's one of the few sins I know of where the people involved in it or who struggle with it have chosen to make that sin the basis for their entire identity. - Mo/Maureen

@ Erkki S. - "Actions that increase the total and general human suffering and reduce human happiness and freedom of action are morally evil." According to whose definition? Yours? Mine? Some government body? "Actions that decrease the total and general human suffering and increase human happiness and freedom of action are morally good and desirable." According to whose definition? Yours? Mine? Some government body? "Why is this supposed to be some riddle for the ages?" It isn't a riddle. People choose to make it so. It's actually the simplest thing in the world, which is why I can never understand why people don't get it. Without a transcendent standard for good and evil, words like "suffering", "happiness" and "freedom" don't even have meaning. They can be whatever someone claims it to be. Kim Jong-un of N. Korea thinks his actions and treatment of his people are good. Among other things going on there, innocent people are in prison camps. So what? He thinks that's a good thing. Who are we to say it isn't? Our opinion is that putting innocent people in prison camps is an evil act. His opinion is that putting innocent people in prison camps is a good thing. Without an ultimate standard, how do we know who is right?

"But where does the atheist and naturalist find objective values of good and evil in his worldview to make this judgment? There are no good or evil people; there are no good or evil acts. His worldview doesn't support this judgment. All he can do is report what he does and doesn't like, personal tastes about religion and behavior." It's amazing how people continue and continue and continue to not grasp what seems to me such an obvious reality.

This is so, so sad. Thanks to you (and Robert at JW) for clearing things up. I was very confused about the whole thing.

But what of those people who would still hold to that view even in the face of such tragedies? When they do say, "So what?" and mean it, because tragedies like these don't seem to bother them?

I read a short announcement of this in one of my city's free newspapers today. I only knew of Exodus by name and the general purpose of their ministry. I don't know all their views or their ministry approach, so I can't comment one way or the other on that. The article I read was basically a victory cry for so-called homosexual rights and gave no real explanation as to what happened. I was hoping this article would clarify things, but there's not much here either. I don't know if I have the mental energy to sort this all out. But I do feel I need to, because this is being seen as a huge victory for the pro-homosexual / 'homosexuality is inborn' side.

(Maybe also add the link to the same-sex marriage reference guide mentioned at the very end of the program?)

Wow, this week's show was excellent! (Even more than usual.)

@ Shaughnessy McGillicuddy See what I mean? What logical fallacy? Here you are, not only unwilling to engage with whatever ideas may be presented in the sermon, but completely dismissing even the idea of listening to it! Completely closed minded. Remarkable. The rest of your comment I skimmed, as it looks to be only insults. *** The sad part is that I'm sure that even if I personally offered to pay the $2.50 for you, the response would be the same the response would be the same scoffing, mocking sort of thing. Again, I wonder why people such as yourself - people who are completely closed-minded and unwilling to even look at any material or information offered to them bother to waste their time on a site like this one.

@ Matt McAlister - Again, a complete refusal to address what I have said. I love your previous comment... "Ridiculous ideas should be ridiculed. Childish thought should be put away when one grows into an adult." ... while here you are the one engaging in netspeak. They've been addressed, over and over. You have no interest in considering anything anyone says. Answer one point and you bring up another, without even acknowledging your first one was addressed. I'd bet anything that if I went into detail about free will and how that relates to the way God has made things, you'd dismiss it. Your continued insults and ignoring of what people have offered to you demonstrate to me you have little interest in productive discussion. Perhaps it would be best for you to set up your own blog and rage there about the god you don't believe exists, as well as all those who follow that god. I can't see what that accomplishes, but that's really all you are doing here. As for me, I won't waste my time or yours here any longer.

The purpose of this post was to point to a sermon. Did any of the skeptics/objectors here bother to invest the $2.50 and short time commitment that it would take to listen to this sermon? I'd be any amount of money the answer is a resounding "NO".

@ AJG - Again, if this is your view, why are you wasting your time here? This very site and ministry exist for the purpose of providing evidence for the claims of the Bible and answers to questions people may have. You (and others) seem to have zero interest in investigating the material on this site. People on the blog have offered some answers to your questions and challenges. None of this seems to make any difference. Your mind is already made up. You have set yourself up as the final authority, declaring "It's all a myth!" without offering how you came to this conclusion OR debunking the evidences for Christianity offered on this site. You have zero interest in Christianity. So why are you here?

@ Matt McAlister - Ok, I will revise my statement: Quite a lot of emotion spent on people who follow a god you don't even think exists. Why would you care? Now, anything to say on the rest of my comment? Or just more insults and raging? Here, I'll post it again: "Oh, and I'll stop "disrespecting" Christianity the moment it becomes "respectable"." Western Civilization has its foundation in the Judeo-Christian worldview. I'd say that's pretty respectable. "Ridiculous ideas should be ridiculed. Childish thought should be put away when one grows into an adult." "Darth - still wouldnt make me believe this god was any less of an *expletive* for allowing the things I mentioned and healing the ankle." Yet you are the one acting like a child, offering little other than insults and rudeness and anger.

@ Carolyn - "I find it interesting that so many of those opposed to Christianity were once "devout" Christians." I fail to see how one can be a "former Christian". After all, we cannot be unborn once we are born. The Bible says Christians are born again. I can't see how that can be undone. In other words, these are people who perhaps once identified as Christians, but were never actually Christians in the first place, in the sense that the Bible describes it.

@ Matt McAlister - "Oh, and I'll stop "disrespecting" Christianity the moment it becomes "respectable"." Western Civilization has its foundation in the Judeo-Christian worldview. I'd say that's pretty respectable. "Ridiculous ideas should be ridiculed. Childish thought should be put away when one grows into an adult." "Darth - still wouldnt make me believe this god was any less of an *expletive* for allowing the things I mentioned and healing the ankle." Yet you are the one acting like a child, offering little other than insults and rudeness and anger. Quite a lot of emotion spent on a god about which you hold the belief that he/she/it does not exist.

Atheism is the belief that God/the supernatural does not exist, correct? There is no basis for kindness in the worldview of Humanism. In fact, I can't see what the word "kindness" even means under this worldview. *** The rest is just mocking and it shows me you are simply a troll here. Why people waste not only the time of others but their own time in doing such things is beyond me.

@ Matt McAlister - "I CANNOT "BEND THE KNEE" TO SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT EXIST." So why are you here? No one is forcing you to read anything at this web site. No one is forcing you to become a Christian. And at least in America, the culture has become so secular that you only "have" to hear Christian-type words at Christmas and Easter. So why do you rage so much against something that in your view does not exist? "Why don't you bend the knee to Allah? You're just disbelieving Islam for emotional not intellectual, reasons." Because I have read the Koran and about the life of Mohammad and I find no evidence for its claims. I also reject its teachings that tell me that unbelievers must convert, submit or die, and its oppressive sharia which brings misery everywhere in the world it is implemented. These are not emotional reasons. *** "Every argument you can use vs the atheist can be used against you in regards to another religion. Your referenced statements are absurd, ridiculous and offensive." That's false, since Christianity makes specific claims (and backs them up with evidence!) that other religions do not and cannot make. Again, why are you here? Why rage so hard against something you think doesn't exist?

@ John H - Oh, I know. No matter what evidence is presented, it's not good enough for them.

(Proven by the many responses here!)

I've never met an atheist yet who was willing to thoughtfully consider ANY evidence for the claims of Christ and the Bible! Anything I say is dismissed outright, without even an attempt at a fair-minded look at it.

That sermons was incredible! (Because our Savior is incredible!) I encourage everyone to buy/listen to it, especially the mockers here.

@ AJG - "It doesn't matter what I think about hell." Well then, why are you posting here about it?