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I frequently see anti-fuel cell arguments such as this:
"Larry Burns: Holistic approach required.." could translate 'now steal taxpayer grants and subsidies for ALL energy sources and market NOTHING', as with all decades of hydrogen fuel cell "research" vehicles."
Implying that the money used to fund fuel cell research is an extravagant amount. It can only be pointed out that in terms of the progress made for each dollar spent, FCs are very cost-efficient to fund for R&D - they've made incredible advances for fewer relative $$$.
"The Department of Energy has spent over $2 billion (roughly 1% of the total DOE budget) during the last 10 years on fuel cell and hydrogen research, development and demonstration. This is less than 2% of the global investment in the solar, wind and biomass industry in one year alone."
http://www.hydrogen.energy.gov/pdfs/11004_historical_fuel_cell_h2_budgets.pdf
This is much less than the money given towards ethanol, and less than what has been given to battery research in just the Obama administration.
Larry Burns: Holistic approach required to achieve transformational change of transportation and the automobile; the power of “And”
Larry Burns, former head of GM R&D and strategic planning and currently Professor of Engineering Practice at the University of Michigan and Director, Sustainable Mobility at the Earth Institute, Columbia University, used his presentation at the ARPA-E Energy Innovation Summit (EIS) in Washingto...
Since some are interested in what's current regarding hydrogen infrastructure technology... here's a helpful pdf from the US DoE:
http://www.hydrogen.energy.gov/pdfs/progress11/iii_0_hydrogen_delivery_overview_2011.pdf
Just a simple overview, but there's a lot more info on the DoE Hydrogen website. There's no reason for anyone to get upset over this impartial dissemination of info, right?
Hydrogen FCVs will be a part of the future automotive landscape, and will co-exist with BEVs and PHEVs. Now whether the owners of those vehicles can manage is a sociological mystery that will have to play itself out...
California Energy Commission soliciting proposals for $18.7M in awards to develop hydrogen fueling infrastructure
The California Energy Commission (CEC) has issed a competitive grant solicitation (PON-11-609) for projects to develop the infrastructure necessary to dispense hydrogen transportation fuel. The goal of this solicitation is to provide grant funds to projects which expand the network of public re...
@ SJC - "It would be good to actually have a plan of FC vehicle deployment before putting in the fueling structure."
The automakers have already begun developing their production FCV commercial introduction plans. This program requires that applicants support those plans in order to be considered:
"Applications must correspond to and support FCV manufacturers’ deployment of FCVs and hydrogen internal combustion engine vehicles (HICEV) in identified “early-adoption” clusters in California. Alternatively, successful projects may establish hydrogen fueling stations where FCV or HICEV populations are sufficient."
California Energy Commission soliciting proposals for $18.7M in awards to develop hydrogen fueling infrastructure
The California Energy Commission (CEC) has issed a competitive grant solicitation (PON-11-609) for projects to develop the infrastructure necessary to dispense hydrogen transportation fuel. The goal of this solicitation is to provide grant funds to projects which expand the network of public re...
"You mention ignorance, perhaps you can show some evidence to all the points you list as having already been accomplished."
Feel free to peruse this DoE Report. It gives a lot of info that backs up the progress that has been made regarding fuel cells.
http://www.hydrogen.energy.gov/pdfs/program_plan2011.pdf
DOE seeking stakeholder feedback on commercial readiness of fuel cell and hydrogen technologies for transportation applications
The US Department of Energy (DOE) has issued a request for information (RFI) (DE-FOA-0000655) seeking feedback from stakeholders for technology deployment activities aimed at verifying the commercial readiness of fuel cell and hydrogen technologies. DOE emphasized that the RFI is not a fundin...
"Upon heating, a hydrogen molecule (H2) is released from the complex. When the remaining complex comes into contact with ethanol or isopropanol it grabs two replacement hydrogen atoms, allowing the cycle to begin again."
I'm sorry that you're unwilling to spend the $ to satisfy your own curiosity, but there's no need to cast aspersions and doubt.
The article is simply a summary, intended for general publication. The article doesn't discuss the reaction or its products, but it does make it clear that the process is repeatable in a continuous cycle.
Your supposition that they would go through so much effort to produce a single H2 molecule is both absurd and insulting.
New catalytic process efficiently extracts hydrogen from bioalcohols, including ethanol
Researchers led by Matthias Beller at the Leibniz Institute for Catalysis in Rostock (Germany) report in the journal Angewandte Chemie on a new catalyst that allows for the use of bioalcohols, including ethanol, for the production of hydrogen. Their novel process proceeds efficiently under part...
"Nothing about...if more than 1 H2 molecule can be extracted from ethanol."
Seriously? Please do tell me you understand how a cyclical process works.
New catalytic process efficiently extracts hydrogen from bioalcohols, including ethanol
Researchers led by Matthias Beller at the Leibniz Institute for Catalysis in Rostock (Germany) report in the journal Angewandte Chemie on a new catalyst that allows for the use of bioalcohols, including ethanol, for the production of hydrogen. Their novel process proceeds efficiently under part...
@ HarveyD
Fuel Cell systems already have a much greater energy density than today's best li-ion batteries. That's why HFCVs have much greater ranges than BEVs.
Back in 2005, an 80kW FC system produced 470W/kg (and 500W/l).
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/mypp/pdfs/fuel_cells.pdf
ITM Power achieves automotive high power density fuel cell performance objectives in 9-month test program
UK-based ITM Power has released a summary of the results of a recently completed 9-month fuel cell project that evaluated the company’s proprietary hydrocarbon membrane materials in high power density hydrogen/air fuel cells. The project was supported by the Carbon Trust as part of the Polymer F...
@ Stan Peterson
Think has over 10,000 vehicles on the roads.
Chevrolet begins taking orders in all 50 US states for 2012 Volt; $1K drop in starting price
Chevrolet dealers in all 50 states in the US are now taking orders for the 2012 Chevrolet Volt. The suggested retail price for the Volt will start at $39,995 (or $32,495 assuming a full federal tax credit of $7,500, which is subject to the customer’s eligibility). The price includes an $850 dest...
@ Darius
"As far as I understand VW is not going to participate in drivetrain electrification..."
Then you don't really have much of an understanding. VW has an active vehicle electrification program, and will be offering BEVs in the next few years, just like the other major marques.
Perhaps you overlooked the headline:
"VW Group head of research says it’s time for electrification..."
VW Group head of research says it’s time for electrification, but progress has been extremely low; “We need more”
In the keynote address at the 4th Symposium on Energy Storage: Beyond Lithium-ion, hosted by the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory (PNNL) in Richland, Washington, Jürgen Leohold, head of Volkswagen Group research (and 2009 EUCAR chairman), said that one of his key messages was that although ...
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