mmmmmm, beer. There is something even tastier about a beer you make yourself. I find I have a greater appreciation for beer now and find I'm really proud when one of my recipes turn out really well.

Don't get me wrong Widowspider, I think they'll always be people who will settle for whatever lot they get in life, but too many employers pay the minimum and feel entitled to; a) never pay you more no matter what you do to prove you're worth it and b) expect your loyalty and hard work with never returning those things in turn. In some respects I've accepted SOME of Ayn Rand's outlook on capitalism. I sell myself and the work I provide to my employer, if I don't place a high value on that, how can I expect my employer to value it? If I'm willing to work for the legal minimum, then I should expect my employer to place a minimum value on my efforts. Currently, in Canada, we have many families that are surviving on minimum wage, a wage that allows them to continue to live in poverty with no hope for the future. In BC where I live we have a "training" (translate that to slave) wage, which is even lower than the minimum wage, so that employers can truly show their contempt for the people they employ. Continual staff rollovers, and a work force that has nothing worthwhile to strive for means lazy, dissatisfied workers.

I agree with you as well, Wil. On the other side of things though, employers who only pay minimum wage should only expect minimum work/effort from their employees. You do get what you pay for. Even when I was working entry level jobs, I wouldn't work for minimum wage, I take pride in my work and try to work hard. If an employer wants to give me the minimum they can legally get away with, then they're only going to get the minimum I have to give to them. That's if they could even get me in the door.