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Willard Preacher
Los Angeles
Enjoying show business, the So Cal weather, and following the Phils.
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GBF, you answered your own question. They don't value stats, and would rather disregard WAR entirely than give it any legitimacy by acknowledging these very shortcomings, and instead double down on their "eye test" driven scouts, whom you cannot disprove with any hard-and-fast metrics. Essentially, they'd make great politicians!
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BAP, nice recap. But again, I'll posit, while you can certainly take exception with their picks, themselves, but I submit as a plausible consideration that the picks they did make are just as talented, it's just that the Phils player development is that damn atrocious that further clouds the discussion. While I wouldn't have high expectations, all I'd need to have seen would be a two minute clip of each of Greg Golson and Hunter Pence on draft day, and I'd have stated that the Phils made the right choice at the time...
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I'm one of Benji's biggest detractors and "haters" and even I wouldn't trade Revere for Wood without quite a bit more thrown into the mix. The Phillies should be making trades for one of two reasons: - stock pile young talent, even if just a calculated risk or borderline gamble - Wood doesn't fit this bill - free up salary to invest in younger (slightly more proven/higher ceiling) - Revere's salary does not fit this bill Basically, unless the trade can have some sort of payoff in that 2017 time frame, it's not worth the Phillies' time.
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But I sure as hell won't argue that the Phillies strategy of drafting "Toolsy McToolshed" hasn't finally bitten them in the ass in an almost unrecoverable way... Basically, it's a perfect sh8t storm that's been allowed to fester "under the radar" while key players were still in their prime. Now that they're approaching the twilight of their careers, here we are.
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Here's another way to think of it. While even MVP caliber Ryan Howard the last three years would likely not have improved the team enough to playoff caliber, a much better team that didn't have the burden of "proving out" the contract would have recognized these other shortfalls and been able to address them much more quickly and even longer term than the "rope" they have now. For instance, it's noted that a lack of production from young players is actually just as much, if not more, of a problem over the last three years. It's hard to argue that (and we actually even discussed over the last few days about how player development has yielded nothing going back much further than that even...). But, if you don't have the drag of $225M tied up over the life of the Howard contract (say nothing of the regressing talent of Howard himself), you have a hell of a lot more options to acquire young talent to improve in that arena. When you have some sort of leverage (i.e. not trying to dump bad contracts to aging players tying up opportunities), you'd be amazed at how much easier it is to acquire younger talent that is much more likely to produce (Phillies player development competency aside). Just ask the Dodgers or Red Sox, who have been able to "retool" as opposed to having to "wait out" bad contracts.
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JW, thanks for the link. Interesting take on things, but it's very hard to argue that the Howard trade didn't have a direct deleterious impact on this team's ability to develop many more young talented players. I agree that the "win now" moves are just as big an impact on the current state of the team, but without that contract tying up so much $, and the dynamic that BAP often alludes to (Howard's spot leading to his auto-insertion into the cleanup spot, thereby having a domino effect on the rest of the lineup), there's no ability to react and "retool" as opposed to the current rebuild dynamic (and look what that contract does now versus what it did while he was injured). As long as Howard is under that contract, the team is financially hindered, but even more so they lose any ability to retool "on the fly." This is why even releasing him only has a minor impact, as the $ is still tied up. However, I don't discount all those secondary impacts (lineup construction, inevitable late game LOOGY moves, "blocking" even mediocre but better players, etc.). I'm just taking issue with the premise of that article downplaying the effect of that contract. I'll agree that it's definitely not the only factor in play, but even mentioning the litany of other factors doesn't discount that it's absolutely an albatross, and continues to hinder even the current rebuild effort. But, yeah, that WAR stat is effing eye opening and downright disgusting when this team has lived on a "as long as these guys can stay healthy" mantra for the last few years.
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"Do they aspire to field a team comprised of 5 back-of-the-rotation starters & the worst starting 8 in the history of baseball?" We'll know for sure once Kyle Kendrick's FA status is settled, but yeah...
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Best. Beerleaguer. Day. Ever. (okay, in the last 5 years, anyway)
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limoguy, you mean that there are people that actually root for the San Diego Padres to the extent that they can field a blog? Who knew?
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clout, no doubt that's a formidable squad (and heads and shoulders better than the Phils). It will be interesting to see if they stay with it. The Stanton deal may prove to be a turning point for a MIA team now investing in the on the field product, but we've seen that before (Reyes, et al), only to be shown the eventual "fire sale version 4 (or whatever)."
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If GTown Dave posts a comment today, I'm going to go ahead and call it the best day the Phillies have had in 2014.
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Re: JW's tweet about Eflin's change up, let's just hang on to Hamels...
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JW, you lovable son of a bitch!... A new thread, dead in the heart of a time when us BL degenerates need BL the most. Thank you sir, and keep the tweets coming.
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Dickie, you nailed it. AAMOF, High School Musical 2 came out, yeah you guessed it, 7 YEARS AGO!!!
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"if there's one thing the Phillies have in abundance, it's potential roster spots" You say that now. Just wait until the next binge round of utility INF signings right before camp starts.
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Comcast SportsNet @CSNPhilly Ruben Amaro told CSN that Phillies didn't know about Ryan Howard's legal battle and that it "had to affect" his play" http://ow.ly/FKpqx So, expect another looooooooong leash if they can't spring him before the season.
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It's a shame that RAJ will likely no longer be GM when Jimmy signs his inevitable one day contract to retire a Phillie. I think he'd be the best guy to parlay that into a multi-year deal with a vesting option.
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GM Carson tweeted out a question about the last "prospect" the Phillies acquired via trade and were able to develop to the MLB level, in any real regular capacity (sorry Aumont). I suppose JMJ would be that individual? Which begs the obvious question about not only scouting/talent evaluation, but development. Is RAJ that bad at returning young talent (7 yr scouting reports back to jr. high school are tough to find), or are the Phillies that inept in developing the raw talent? Both criticisms have been levied for some time, and I suspect it's "a little from column A and a little from column B."
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I have to believe that a good part of the reason the Rollins deal was hung up for the better part of a day (because when you trade away the face of your franchise, you like for it to drag on ad nauseum...) is because the Dodgers mentioned that they didn't want Utley in the deal because they were getting Howie. To which, RAJ then jumped up and down thinking that he finally got rid of Ryan Howard's contract, and it took several hours to set him straight.
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Hell, with the team shaping up to be the "some dudes All Stars," might as well start Lee (and Nola, hell Crawford for that matter) on the big league squad and let them learn at the MLB level.
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Beerleaguer @beerleaguer Still waiting to hear who the #Phillies will accidentally include in the Rollins deal.
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I've been avoiding TGP like the plague since the stove started to show signs of scalding. Thankfully, BL has shown signs of life lately (and actually much more meaningful and realistic dialog - the Phillies in despair really is when this place is at it's apex).
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GBF, I'm sorry (there's so much going on and my head is swimming) but did I just read that as Dom Brown taddled to his agent about his playing time, and said agent had to have a conversation (adults are talking here, dear...) with Amaro?!?!? Is that really what this individual is reporting? Dear Lord, this team is much closer to a JV squad than I even realized.
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Well, if you're going to trade away a plausible LOOGY for a hill of beans, what better time to slide that in than the same day you trade away one of the faces of the last 20 years of the franchise?
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clout, I gotta assume that you're on high alert as this is the prime time where we can finally put to the test the BL meme of "trade them all for some dudes." We're about to see a whole effing team of some dudes!
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