Peter Perhaps you need to get out more, there are plenty of churches that are overflowing their buildings, but these are increasingly not the sort that play organ music. Why are they growing so much? One reason -- GOD

peter You approvingly quote Cliff Richard saying "the churches should be blessing gay marriages". Then you say divine blessings are a red herring. So either you are a) confused b) a stalinist Perhaps you would prefer a neutered church to be the lackey of your stalinist regime. You seem to be demanding that the churches should lie and bless something that is CLEARLY NOT blessed by God! There are a few lttle things called "freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of thought", which are just a little more important than a ragtag collection of activists screaming for the "right" to disestablish traditional marriage. I am glad that you are not running NZ.

peter You approvingly quote Cliff Richard saying "the churches should be blessing gay marriages". Then you say divine blessings are a red herring. So either you are a) confused b) a stalinist Perhaps you would prefer a neutered church to be the lackey of your stalinist regime. You seem to be demanding that the churches should lie and bless something that is CLEARLY NOT blessed by God! There are a few lttle things called "freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of thought", which are just a little more important than a ragtag collection of activists screaming for the "right" to disestablish traditional marriage. I am glad that you are not running NZ.

Peter My comment about marriage is not "completely false". A de facto marriage is NOT marriage, that's why it's called "de facto". Registry Office weddings are beside the point. Therefore you are wrong again. Divine blessing is very germane to this debate, in fact it is a prime motivation, but for obvious reasons you want to sideline God. I don't see how you get selfish or destructive out of that. Could you please say why you see this? I suppose you didn't read the link. And you are still trying to channel the spirit of Cliff Richard. Trying to communicate sense to you is a surreal experience. BTW Ian quotes plenty of academic research in Eve's Bite and TDC. No need for your ridiculous demand to add Ian's corpus to a university curriculum. And what books have you published lately?

That's a lot of innuendo and speculation about what Cliff might think and Ian might have implied. Not sure how you managed to construct an insult out of that. But to address your claims of being "mainstream": There is no such thing as a gay marriage. It's a transparent attempt to legitimize a selfish and destructive lifestyle -- read this article from HOPE (homosexuals opposed to pride extremism), for a counterpoint to the pink political propoaganda. Marriage is an institution blessed by God and a time honoured tradition, it makes no sense that people opposed to God and tradition want to claim divine blessings. Perhaps because they have become totally incapable of distinguishing truth from error? Simply put, gay "marriage" is a lie.