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Chris, Thanks for the words of support. After I got sort of "edged out" of Reef Central by a couple of the admins, I started spending more time as a moderator on the fish section of (but that board isn't very active). If you haven't seen it yet, here is an interesting link: I have no idea where that came from though......
Toggle Commented Jan 26, 2011 on Beware the Tang Police! at Jay Hemdal Live
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So - if you have read this far, the topic must be of particular interest to you. Here is the outcome of my being arrested by the "Tang Police" one more time, two years after my first run-in with them. This time they brought in moderators to delete my posts and defend the "police action". Ultimately, it resulted in my having so many "infractions" that I was just one away from being banned for life, so I left that particular message board for good - and its convoluted and angry culture. Stay tuned for MORE developments!
Toggle Commented Dec 21, 2010 on Beware the Tang Police! at Jay Hemdal Live
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Steve, Thanks for the input. I guess what I'm trying to say is that curators need to allocate resources (human and materials) in order to maintain ALL of their exhibits; in a ratio that balances what is expected from their vistors. The point being is that while reef aquarists may not be satisfied by these results, cichlid hobbyists may want more dwarf cichlids, and native fish enthusiasts may want darters on exhibit - all of these people make up a tiny fraction of the total visitation to an aquarium. If resources are more heavily allocated to please ANY of these specialist groups, other exhibits will suffer - and then the general visitors (in their much greater numbers) will leave unhappy. Ultimately, we need to provide for ALL of the animals in our care in the best possible way - and if the huge amount of time needed to tweak a reef exhibit to make it look stellar means that another exhibit's animals suffer, then that cannot happen. Think of this another way: there is a HUGE variation in the quality of Bonsai trees. Hobbyists spend hundreds of hours pruning their trees to make them aesthetically "perfect" (but then what is perfect about a miniature tree?). Reef aquarists do the same with their tanks - but then what is "perfect" about a mini-reef? The general public cannot see the difference in either case, so it is time lost unless you are doing it for personal reasons, and then that sort of loses the idea of a PUBLIC aquarium. Jay
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I would like to expound a bit on my work on maximum fish sizes in captivity. There seems to be some confusion about the study. Although only 19 fish met the criteria as outlined in the project, fully 2300 fish were analyzed, it is just that 2281 of them did not meet the strict criteria: "None of them has grown appreciably in the past two years, and all have been in captivity at least 5 years (the range was 5 to 20 years)." Also, the ONLY conclusion that I drew from this is that the maximum size of fish on FISHBASE tends to run larger than what is seen as a maximum size in captivity - to the extent of it being 66% of that value. Remember that FISHBASE lists the maximum recorded size for a fish - not the normal adult size. Thanks, Jay
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Hi Scott, Thanks for your kind words of support. I fully understand that some of the ideas I present in my writings are not "mainstream", and some have evidently bordered on "unpopular" with some of the "Tang Police". I also realize that not every idea I present will eventually stand up to closer scrutiny - but I do hope that people think about what I write, try to keep a more open mind about such things, and then perhaps actively question certain "truths" that have become entrenched in the aquarium hobby. In regards to your question about how to tell if a certain fish has exceeded a comfortable aquarium size - sorry, but I can't answer that(yet!). I often struggle with that same question myself. It is rare to have a fish outright DIE from being kept in too small of an aquarium. I have seen a few examples - a snakehead that hit the end of its aquarium, broke the glass and died when the tank drained - it was obviously kept in too small of a tank. Pangasius catfish that rub their snouts on the tank wall each time they turn around would be another example. Harder to determine is the fish, like yours, that have grown gradually larger in an aquarium - when do they need to be moved out? My lame answer is: move them before they suffer any adverse health effects.... Jay
Toggle Commented May 2, 2009 on Beware the Tang Police! at Jay Hemdal Live
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