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Apparently, these politicians don't have staffers with much STEM expertise. HD EVs may reduce NOx emissions in most cases, but that comes at the expense of significantly higher PM10, PM2.5, and SOx emissions, even in urban locations, from a complete vehicle life-cycle (LCA) perspective in long-haul operations, and even short-haul operations in some regions of the U.S., per Argonne National Laboratory's latest version of its GREET model (GREET_2021). That's more or less reflected in a peer-reviewed paper - (Figure 4). Even GHG emissions are roughly the same for long-haul diesel ICEV and BEV in that study, and even higher for BEV on a freight ton-mile basis when taking into account the lower payload capacity of BEVs (Figure 7). That study considers only well-to-wheels (WTW) emissions, not full LCA as GREET_2021 does. Projections for 2045 do not change this trade-off per GREET_2021 (LCA PM2.5 emissions are still ~2 times higher in long-haul BEV operations in both total and urban shares under the assumptions in GREET). ANL is a U.S National Lab whose funding is ultimately controlled by Congress.
According to a press release by Prometheus Fuels, an American Airline spokesperson is quoted as saying that Prometheus SAF jet fuel can be produced at a price LOWER than fossil jet fuel. Presumably, other DAC fuels can be produced at prices competitive with fossil fuels.
Diesels "barely" comply with emission standards? Based on in-use testing by EPA itself, the 2021 Chevrolet Colorado Duramax Diesel pickup had 0.002 g/mi NMHC (SULEV II = 0.010 g/mi), <0.05 g/mi CO (SULEV II = 1.0 g/mi), 0.020 g/mi NOx (SULEV II = 0.020 g/mi), <0.0001 g/mi PM (SULEV II = 0.01 g/mi) ass tested in the FTP test cycle. The 2021 Colorado Diesel is certified under Tier 3/LEV III, but it technically would have achieved SULEV under LEV II. The 2019 Ram 1500 diesel pickup truck had no measurable THC, NMHC, CO, NOx, or PM exhaust emissions as tested on the HWY cycle by EPA.
BEVs are not emissions-free when in operations either. They produce non-exhaust PM emissions directly through tire, brake and road wear. In fact, some studies have concluded that BEVs may produce as many local PM2.5 emissions as equivalent ICEVs due to the higher curb weight of BEVs. Exhaust emissions of ICEVs have become extremely low; diesel ICEVs have been shown to have few PN in the concentrated exhaust than the ambient air of some cities. According to CARB, California has offset far more GHG emissions from the use of renewable fuels there (under its "Low Carbon Fuel Standard") than from BEVs ( Furthermore, the International Energy Agency (IEA) just released a report (May 2021), "The Role of Critical Minerals in Clean Energy Transitions," which illustrates the much higher mineral requirements for the manufacture of BEVs than ICEVs, typically six times as much ( Mining is inherently destructive to the environment. The European Environmental Agency (EEA) issued report in 2018 that reveals the far higher "Human Toxicity Potential" of BEVs, largely from mining the mineral requirements for EV manufacturing (European Environmental Agency, "Electric vehicles from life cycle and circular economy perspectives, TERM 2018: Transport and Environment Reporting Mechanism (TERM) report." EEA Report No 13/2018, November 2018). Note especially Figure 6.2 on page 58 that even if BEVs are charged with 100% renewable electricity (i.e., eliminating the "In-use phase" segments of the BEV bars in the graph), human toxicity impacts are still over twice as high. Ecotoxicity is also higher even if BEVs are charged with 100% RE (Figure 6.3). This was supported by a peer-reviewed study (Mendoza-Beltran et al. (2018), "When the background matters: Using scenarios from integrated assessment models in prospective life cycle assessment." Volume 24 Issue 2 Journal of Industrial Ecology pages: 436-439, Figure 4 or Figure 1 of corrected version ( Even in extremely clean future electric grid scenarios (denoted by dotted lines (generally corresponding to the RCP2.6 scenario in the IPCC AR5)), "Human Toxicity" remains ~3 times higher for BEV in the same electric grid mix scenario. Note also that "Particle matter formation" is higher for BEV than ICEV in all but the cleanest future grid mix scenarios, disputing the EV air quality benefits claims. Forcing a transition to 100% BEV will almost certainly result in much higher contamination of toxic substances, both carcinogenic and non-carcinogenic, in ground water, surface water, and soils near mining sites. BEVs will likely play a prominent role in the future vehicle mix regardless, but categorically excluding other vehicle technologies is a mistake and counterproductive, in my opinion.
There's no such thing as "zero-emission" or "emissions-free" buses or any other class of vehicles, and BEVs and FCVs shouldn't be characterized as such. Non-exhaust emissions (PM from tire wear, brake wear, and road wear) are produced by all vehicles.
According to a peer-reviewed paper from 2018 (Mendoza-Beltran, "When the Background Matters: Using Scenarios from Integrated Assessment Models in Prospective Life Cycle Assessment," Journal of Industrial Ecology, November 2018,, Figure 1 (corrected version)), "Particulate Matter Formation" (i.e., primary AND secondary PM2.5) is higher with BEV than a Euro 5 diesel ICEV, at least until electricity grid is >90% renewable.
No vehicle technology is truly "clean." Diesel technology is as "clean" as any other tech, including electric.
On the other hand, a recent study by UC Davis calculates that the battery pack for a 500-mile EV semi-truck would require ~1400 kWh and weigh ~7 tons. Not only are 7 tons of batteries not remotely "eco friendly," they displace 26% of the revenue load compared to diesel trucks. That's more or less confirmed by (second-half of video). That means that in some cases, 5 BEV semi-trucks would be required to move the same payload as 4 diesel semi-trucks. Will trucking companies go for that? Even apart from the payload issue, the economics of BEV semi-trucks vis-à-vis diesel semi-trucks are questioned in the UC Davis study. Only under the most optimistic scenarios for BEV trucks will they match diesel trucks in cost-to-own, according to that study. As for longevity, current diesel truck engines routinely last 1,000,000 miles without an engine overhaul. Will BEV truck batteries and traction motors last that long? And of course, the whole point of this GCC article is that NOx emissions from the exhaust can be significantly reduced with this technology, while gaining efficiency concurrently. NMHC, CO, PM/PN emissions are already near-zero . The notion that BEVs produce no pollution is also a dream.
Yes... - 100% of 270 diesel passenger vehicles type-approved at Euro 6d-temp have real-world-driving NOx emissions below RDE regulated levels (0.168 g/km), and many have near-zero NOx emissions, based on ACEA testing. Testing by ADAC reveals the some Euro 6d-Temp diesel cars have near zero NOx emissions in real-world testing, and one (MB C220d) has no measurable NOx emissions ( ). - PN measurements by Emissions Analytics shows newest diesel engines clean the air of particles ( - All 2018+ diesel passenger vehicles real-world tested by Emissions Analytics have CO emissions <0.125 g/km. That's >75% below the diesel Euro 6 standard (0.5 g/km), and almost 90% below the petrol Euro 6 standard (1.0 g/km). None of the 500+ diesels tested have failed to meet the Euro 6 diesel standard, regardless of model year. Meanwhile, several Euro 6 petrol vehicles failed to meet the 1.0 g/km petrol standard. - The Advanced Collaborative Emissions Study (ACES), Phase 2, measured zero NMHC (VOC) emissions from U.S. 2010-compliant diesel truck engines under various test cycles. ACES 2 also revealed that over 300 unregulated emissions were 90%-100% below those measured from 2004 diesel truck engines (NiroPAH, Hopenes & Sterenes, Carbonyls, Metals & Elements, Elemental carbon, Dioxin & Furans were all reduced 100%, i.e., these emissions were not detected). - A recent European Environmental Agency report concludes that passenger vehicles' GHG emissions in 2017 in Europe increased for the first time since monitoring started in 2010, thanks in part to the increased market share of petrol vehicles at the expense of decreased market share of diesel passenger vehicles. Petrol passenger vehicles produce 10% to 40% more GHG emissions than comparable diesel vehicles according to that report. - Based on EPA in-use testing, 2019 Ram 1500 4X2 diesel pickup truck had no measurable THC, NMHC, CO, NOx, or PM exhaust emissions as tested on the HWY cycle by EPA itself. The 2020 Chevrolet Colorado 4X2 diesel pickup had <0.002 g/mi NMHC, <0.05 g/mi CO, <0.020 g/mi NOx (SULEV II = 0.020 g/mi), <0.0001 g/mi PM per EPA in-use testing in FTP and HWY test duty cycles. How clean do diesel vehicles have to be before this demonization of diesel ICEV technology stops?
EPA also says: "...EPA's air quality modeling predicts NOx (reduction) disbenefits in the areas identified by some studies as "VOC-limited" (e.g., Los Angeles)...." (Page 2-113) Source: EPA, "Final Regulatory Impact Analysis: Control of Emissions from Nonroad Diesel Engines." "...When NOx levels are relatively high and VOC levels are relatively low, NOx forms inorganic nitrates (i.e., particles) but relatively little ozone. Such conditions are called "VOC-limited." Under these conditions, VOC reductions are effective in reducing ozone, but NOx reductions can actually increase local ozone under certain circumstances...." (Page 2-41) Source: EPA Final Regulatory Impact Analysis: Control of Emissions of Air Pollution from Highway Heavy-Duty Engines.", "U.S. EPA Integrated Science Assessment for Oxides of Nitrogen - Health Criteria (First External Review Draft)." U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Washington, DC, EPA/600/R-07/093, "EPA Final Regulatory Impact Analysis: Control of Emissions from Nonroad Diesel Engines.", Federal Register / Vol. 72, No. 63 / Tuesday, April 3, 2007, Federal Register / 12/17/2014 (Section E, "Ozone Air Quality") (Note EPA acknowledges that there are no "VOC disbenefits" in "NOx-limited" areas, but there are "NOx disbenefits" in "VOC-limited" areas)
Some recent empirical studies cast further doubt on how effective reducing NOx emissions will be to lower ambient O3 levels.
According to a paper published by CARB staff in 2015 (Propper et al., "Ambient and Emission Trends of Toxic Air Contaminants in California." Environ. Sci. Technol. 2015, 49, 11329-11339,, ambient diesel particulate matter (DPM) concentration in the Southern California Air Basis (SoCAB) was <0.6 µg/m3 in 2012 (Figure 2). According to EPA, the average PM2.5 concentration in 2012 was 15.6 µg/m3 @SoCAB. That would result in DPM accounting for 3.8% of particulate matter at most. The trajectory is down from there and continues to decrease in relative importance (EPA estimates that DPM will contribute ~0.2 µg/m3 in the Western U.S. by 2025). Even in 1998, i.e., long before DPF was in widespread use in diesel vehicles, the "Northern Front Range Air Quality Study" showed that light-duty gasoline vehicles contributed ~60% of PM2.5 carbon at U.S. urban sites tested, and that was 2.5 to 3 times the contribution of diesel exhaust (Page 10-3 of full report). According to a European (UK) report (, non-exhaust emissions are a much larger component of vehicular PM10 and PM2.5 emissions than the exhaust. According to Figure 2 and Figure 3 on page 25, exhaust PM emissions will continue to become a smaller and smaller portion of traffic-generated PM10 and PM2.5. So even in Europe it doesn't appear DPM is major component of ambient PM2.5. I agree that there are likely differences in the toxicity of particles. However, GDI petrol cars emit relatively higher levels of PM emissions, and those emissions are ENRICHED in high-molecular-weight PAHs relative to diesel PM. Some of those PAHs are carcinogenic. See for example. Where's the outrage about those PM emissions?
"...Here, we investigate the mechanisms by which diesel exhaust, a major component of air pollution, induces neurotoxicity...." Except diesel exhaust PM is a very MINOR component of ambient PM2.5. According to CARB's state emission inventory for 2020, diesel exhaust (on- AND off-road) contributed 21.5 tons/day of PM2.5 in California out of a total of 788.3 tons/day from all sources. 21.5/788.3 = 2.7%. What about the other 97.3% of PM2.5 from non-diesel sources? Is PM2.5 from other sources innocuous? Researchers need to start looking for a new villain for a pollution source other than diesel. Some modern diesels have been shown to actually remove particles from ambient air, even relatively clean air in some scenarios (
According to a companion study (, most of the tire PM mass is >PM2.5, and even >PM10. However, there are still relatively high PN emissions in the nano-particle size range.
According to the linked T&E report - "...Combining the per km impact of regeneration on regulatory PN emissions with regulatory PN results on non-regenerating tests did not result in an exceedance of the 6 x10^11/km PN limit. This is also the case when the same calculation is performed for particles larger than 10 and 4nm...." (Page 28) In fact, both vehicles tested easily met the 6X10^11/km standard (<2X10^11/km), even accounting for the more frequent active regenerations claimed in the report and using the smaller particle sizes. There's nothing in the regulation stating that the 6X10^11/km standard is a "not-to-exceed" one.
Why are "diesel engine fumes" being blamed as the source of BC? Another study conducted between 2011 and 2013, i.e., before widespread use of DPF in Europe, showed that the primary source of BC in London is residential wood smoke (Bohnenstengel et al. “Meteorology, Air Quality, and Health in London.” Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, May 2015, 779-804). The latest diesel vehicles have DPFs that are so effective that they're actually filtering not only dirty urban air, but even relatively clean air ( BC emissions from these vehicles would clearly be negative!
It should be noted that sufficient concentration of particles is essential for precipitation to occur. Particles act as cloud condensation nuclei. Recent research has found that precipitation efficiency peaks at particle concentrations well above natural background levels.
In addition to the disbenefits of a regulatory strategy that reduces NOx emissions relatively more than VOC/HC emissions, as seen in this study and ozone weekend effect studies, reducing ambient NOx levels relatively more than ambient VOC levels results in more secondary organic aerosol (SOA) formation, based on another recent study - It's becoming increasingly clear that the regulatory focus on NOx emissions almost exclusively couldn't be more misguided.
This study is obsolete because modern diesels with SCR generally have LOWER NO2 emissions than unfiltered diesels in spite of much higher NO2:NOx ratios from DPF:
Focusing exclusively on NOx emissions is an incomplete way of assessing exhaust emissions impact on air quality. Lower NOx emissions at the expense of higher emissions of other criteria pollutants is potentially disbeneficial.
A couple of comments about sources of air pollution. Diesel engines are usually the default villain as the source of air pollution. However: - Modern diesel vehicles (i.e., w/DPF) have far fewer PM emission than petrol, both in terms of mass and number - - A source apportionment study in London found that PM emissions from residential wood burning was a significantly larger source of ambient PM than diesel vehicles - Bohnenstengel et al., “Meteorology, Air Quality, and Health in London,” Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, May 2015. - A study published this month concludes that coal-fired electricity generation units are the largest source of ambient ultrafine particles -
What is the definition of "green car"? Has one been formally established?
Agree with Peter. If you look closely at the recent report from the European Environmental Agency ("Electric vehicles from life cycle and circular economy perspectives; TERM 2018: Transport and Environment Reporting Mechanism (TERM) report," EEA Report No 13/2018 -, the results are at best mixed. The GHG emissions and (maybe) local emissions are generally lower for BEV, but human toxicity and ecotoxicity are MUCH higher, mainly from the production phase for the battery. Diesel ICEV generically is not only much lower than BEV in these parameters, it's lower than gasoline ICEV ( see Figures 3.4, 4.2, 6.2, and 6.3).
For what it's worth, Fulcrum claims that they can produce jet/diesel fuel for "less than $1.00/gallon" - The cost of ULSD pre-tax is about $2.20/gallon per EIA.
@E-P, The harvesting of forest biomass in lieu of, or in addition to, prescribed burning was just a thought. It's certainly possible that the cost of collecting the biomass may be too high. I'm not clear about your position on biofuels however. You seem to be adamantly opposed to large-scale biofuel implementation here, yet you seem to support it in a comment you made earlier this year: Only replacing 30% of the petroleum used in the USA is setting the sights far too low. A billion dry tons of biomass can make at least 800 million tons of methanol (probably more), which comes to over 260 billion gallons. Total US gasoline consumption, which is about 45% of all US petroleum consumed, is only about 140 billion GPY. Between PHEVs and methanol you could replace 100% of motor fuel and 70% or more of total petroleum.... Can you clarify your position in this regard?