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So the same analyst from Navigant Research that said almost three years ago that EVs won't ever crash the oil market (See: is now predicting that: "By 2030, annual PEV sales are estimated to be between 15% and 32% of the global light duty vehicle market, producing a global PEV population between 107 million and 190 million."? What made him change his mind? When will investors start valuing the work of analysts that do the right analysis?
Is this still a Li-ion battery? Seems like use of lithium metal in the anode could lead to an astonishing technological breakthough well apart from Li-air, Li-O, Li-S or even Solid State batteries.
One feature not mentioned here is inductive (wireless) charging (See: Unlike Tesla, Porsche seems to be aware of what is likely to happen to the lithium market a few years from now (See:
HarveyD, the solution you propose (i.e. To have both 200kW wired and 50= kW wireless charging) seems to be most promising in the short and medium terms. In the long run, however, wireless charging (alone) is likely to lead the way.
I'm afraid there's an error in the last sentence of this article. As far as I know, the Tesla Model S requires 10kW and the BMWi3 needs over 7kW wireless charging, not 6.6kW.
See my recent article on oil consumption reduction due to adoption of EVs in India, China and the rest of the world:
HarveyD, And the price could drop with the advent of Tesla's giga-factory, assuming Li-S turns out to be the chemistry of choice for the Model 3. Do you agree?
I bet the batteries to be used in this model won't be Li-ion ones, which means that GM is indeed serious about deelecctrification and delithification of its cars, just as I show in my Seeking Alpha article published today (See: Chances are though that a measure like this will not help GM become more competitive.
HarveyD, If your information is correct, I would envisage the advent of wireless "super duper charging" for all-electric buses fairly soon", just like I suggested for cars in an EV World blog some time ago (See:
Davemart, As far as I know, BYD has not been allowed to commercialize its buses in the US as yet. So Proterra may have monopoly there for the time being. Only problem is that their buses cost twice as much as BYD's ones.
Or perhaps these buses may have to use something even better than aluminum: magnesium?
This is great news for lithium producers since it's well known that this type of Li-ion batteries use much more lithium per kWh than other Li-ion batteries because it requires lithium not only for the cathode and the electrolyte but also for the anode.
By simply looking at its chemical composition, it seems like this new anode material would also be much cheaper than commercial graphite. Wonder how soon this material could be introduced into the market.
"Anderson's estimate of Tesla making 50k EV in 2016 is probably too low. Tesla just ordered 2 billion 18650 cells from Panasonic to be delivered between 2014 and 2017. With 7000 cells for each Tesla that compares to 285k Tesla EV built all together from 2014 to 2017. It could be done by making 35k for 2014, 60k for 2015, 80k 2016 and 110k for 2017." These estimates are Ok for the period 2014-2015 but unreasonable thereafter, the reason being that they fail to take into account the introduction of Model E beginning 2016. See my own estimates in the following fairly recent Seeking Alpha article:
The peak lithium hypothesis pops up once again. For a critique of it, see my articles: and
The tactics you're talking about are both outdated and irational. For one thing, nobody seems to talk anymore about the 57-year-old incident you refer to. Instead, more and more reports are coming out on the possibility of using Mg in a variety of industrial applications such as weight reduction in cars in general and in electric cars in particular (See: Hope this new link is acceptable to you now. For another, common sense dictates that the Le-Mans accident back in 1955 may have been produced by a number of causes such as gasoline combustion itself. Besides, what makes you think technology has stagnated ever since so that Mg can now be used in cars in a more safely manner?
@Zhukova "The only way to reduce the weight is to make the wheelbase shorter, engine smaller, etc., which makes a cramped, bumpy, noisy ride." Perhaps the best way to solve this problem is using Mg, an ultra light weight material, instead of steel in manufacture of future EVs. Please take note that prospective Mg producers are already considering that possibility as a new promising source of demand for this critical/strategic metal (See:
Davemart, oil price is but one factor affecting adoption of Li-ion batteries for electric cars. The other two I have identified are Li-battery technological development and acceptance of/resistance to change by governments, companies and consumers. To make things even more complicated, the three factors are interrelated (See:
Na-ion batteries are just one of a whole spectrum of possibilities beyond lithium I identified in an article published last year (See: Time will tell whether they finally make it into the market.
It is good to know at least that you are in automotive marketing ... perhaps concerned with promoting Toyota? ... as much as you can? Don´t take me wrong; I don´t blame you for that because all you´re doing is exerting your right to promote the company of your choice. But that doesn´t mean that everybody else should necessarily agree with you. My credentials are in more general field. I am a lithium economics analyst not really interested in a particular company. This provides me with much more objectivity and transparency than those shown in your different comments. My credentials are given by the number of readers I have and the quality of the comments I receive on my contributions to other web sites, just as respectable and credited as this one.
My previous comment should have read as follows: SJC, if you don´t like my arguments you can always criticize them without taking recourse to an insult and lots of sarcasm ... really.
P If you don´t like my arguments Taking recourse to insults doesn´t seem as I would have hoped a more educated comment on my arguments but received an insult instead
I never said Toyota was a clueless corporation. What I have long argued is that back in 2009 both Toyota and Honda had economic incentives not to shift immediately to Li-ion battery technology for their hybrid cars. They had to do with their previous investments in NiMH battery technology which - I said - was already an obsolete technology for this type of electric cars. But there was another reason why Toyota and Honda decided to stick with their old technology: reputation. They simply didn´t feel like they should become followers of GM - a financially broken company at the time (See: Here they were wrong again because in a way the new technology not only saved GM (See: but it gave the American motor giant the very reputation as a "green car company" that both Toyota and Honda were seeking in the first place.
SJC, true the battery pack of the Sonata hybrid is small, but considering a captive market of almost 140k hybrids sold a year in the U.S.alone, Hyundai is indeed after a very promising market. If successful, this strategy may seriously hurt Toyota´s Prius in the years to come. Two and half years ago I warned that in order to retain its largest share in the automobile market of the world, Toyota needed to modify significantly its conservative business strategy (See: Of course Toyota didn´t follow my advice. As a result, though, by December 2011 its sales fell to a third place in the world.
This "lithium–air capacitor–battery" could allow people fly like birds as in the most unbelievable science fiction story.