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My reply to lastWord would have been better phrased as this: You do indeed have the last word, because I am at a loss for words. I can only hope you do not have any African-American friends. They deserve better than a racist like you.
Toggle Commented Jun 14, 2009 on Bermuda Does What We Will Not at Obsidian Wings
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Jesurgislac and NeilW, thank you for your comments. I will try to post a substantive reply tomorrow. Jesurgislac, I do want to clear up my remark about the $200 million. That was a snarky, throwaway line and I wish I had left it off the comment. That amount of money won’t even begin to cover the debt and we all know it. So, I guess in a way I am thanking you for calling me on my snark. As to lastWord, you do indeed have the last word, because I am at a loss for words. I can only hope you do not have any African-American friends.
Toggle Commented Jun 14, 2009 on Bermuda Does What We Will Not at Obsidian Wings
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Jesurgislac, should we have let the South secede from the Union and keep enslaving millions of people? Should Todd and Sarah Palin’s friends be allowed to take Alaska out of the Union? Is separatism always a good thing? As for freedom of religion, well that is an important point. But the Southerners thought that the Bible gave them the right to own slaves. China has traditionally had a problem with oppressing women and the Chinese government is trying to give them more opportunity. Are the Uighurs?
Toggle Commented Jun 13, 2009 on Bermuda Does What We Will Not at Obsidian Wings
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Well, I waited a few hours for answers and so far the liberals have won. I left conservatives a hole big enough to drive a rhetorical truck through and no one picked up on it. Russell, the first question was definitely rhetorical. I don’t know if you consider that in good faith or not. The second question I quite honestly did not know. I will take you at your word until I learn differently. Phil, I am well aware that the Chinese are “very, very hard” on their political opponents. What you didn’t answer was *why* the Chinese consider the Uighurs political opponents. Are the Uighurs just trying to get along with everyone and the Chinese are harassing them? Or are the Uighurs killing people, blowing things up, etc.? I seem to remember something that happened just before the Olympics last summer. What was that all about? The bottom line is that the Chinese would like to have a little chat with them because the Chinese view them as terrorists and a threat to Chinese stability. Just because a person is innocent of one crime doesn’t mean that person is necessarily innocent of *every* crime. Look at O.J. Simpson. I know that a number of commenters hate him because they think he murdered an upper-middle class white man and woman, but bear with me. He was acquitted by a jury of his peers for that murder. Yet years later, he was convicted of some bizarre robbery attempt in Las Vegas. Innocent in L.A., guilty in Las Vegas. Here is where I think the refugee argument breaks down. I think the Chinese have a right to investigate. I could be mistaken, but didn’t one of the abortion clinic bombers flee to France a few years back? The French extradited him back to America, did they not? He hadn’t done anything wrong in France, but we still had the right to try him. Let’s fill out the analogy a bit. Let us say that he is first arrested in France, then is tried and acquitted. Are you telling me that the French should give him refugee status just because they screwed up? This is the kind of argument that provides ammunition for devotees of Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck. You want them freed from Gitmo? Okay, I think you’ve got a point. You won’t repatriate them? Now, I have to question your motivation. One thing is for sure, we’ll need that $200 million to pay back the Chinese if they call in their debts.
Toggle Commented Jun 13, 2009 on Bermuda Does What We Will Not at Obsidian Wings
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Let me throw out several semi-Socratic questions and let some of the commenters chew on them. First, let us assume that the Uighurs are indeed innocent and have been unlawfully detained at Gitmo. Why is it that the Uighurs cannot simply be repatriated to China? Why on earth would the Chinese want to hurt them? Second, let us say that the Uighurs are indeed fearful for their safety. Does it necessarily follow that persons acquitted of a crime in Country A automatically deserve refugee status in Country A or Country B to avoid returning to Country C? What am I missing here?
Toggle Commented Jun 13, 2009 on Bermuda Does What We Will Not at Obsidian Wings
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To publius: I am not a regular commenter here and only learned of this because I saw it on Althouse. I suspect I am rather more conservative (right of center, if only slightly) than you are, but I want to add my voice to those who are condemning Ed Whelan and encouraging you. Keep blogging, dude. As C.S. said, pseudonyms are a kind of compact. Pseudonyms can function as a kind of tool, as Green Eagle pointed out, to allow us to focus on the merits (or lack thereof) of arguments. I echo John Spragge that this is a line that must never be crossed and concede that paulk has an argument for calling it “internet terrorism.” I too am a teacher and thus am careful about what my public persona puts out. I want my students to think for themselves. I also want to avoid backlash from some of my colleagues. Lastly, may I say that it is indeed a sad moment when, just as 21st century America has discovered the ability to have the kind of back-and-forth arguments that the Founders did, we are willing to ruin it by selfishness and cowardice. Pseudonymically yours, Frodo Potter
Toggle Commented Jun 7, 2009 on Stay Classy Ed Whelan at Obsidian Wings
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