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I don't live in Norfolk and don't know the councillor concerned but whenever anyone moves party, I am always reminded of a chat I had with a traditional old-Labour activist about people defecting from one party to another and him saying to me "I wonder how committed (to their original party) they were in the first place".
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I too believe Cameron was right. It is time those who want the sovereign nations of Europe to move ever closer toward a European Super State, to understand that there is at least one of those nations who don't want to go down that track. I argued passionately in favour of our continued membership of what was then the EEC when it was debated at YC level back in the 1980s and if it were the EEC up for discussion now I would still back it. But what was an economic trading block has evolved into something the people of this country didn't vote for. Within the broad church of the Conservative party, I am probably on the centre/left (if such labels are still relevant) and wouldn't consider myself a Eurosceptic but I can't remember a time when I was more EUsceptic!
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Just because you don't agree with her, it doesn't mean she is in the wrong party anymore that it means you are! It disappoints me that there are people on this site who seem to say that someone who has different views within the broad church that is the Conservative Party is either a)not a Conservative or b) in the wrong party.
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The next county council elections are almost another two years away and this issue may well have been forgotten by then. However, I still don't believe the decision to increase allowances was the right one, especially at the moment. Whilst Cambridgeshire councillors appear to be paid below he average, they all knew (or could find out) what the allowances were when they stood for office. Certainly Councillor Clarke knew what the leader's allowance was when he beat others for the role only a few months ago. Well done to those who voted against it, including Conservative councillors Steve Tierney, Peter Brown, Laine Kadic and Tony Orgee. What will be interesting now is to see which of those councillors who voted against the rise (including all but one of the Lib Dems, the Green, the UKIP and Labour members)don't actually take it.
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I rememember in my YC days in the 1980s arguing strongly in favour of our continuing memebership of the EEC (aka The Common Market) but that is not what we have drifted into. My views have changed little but the political situation has changed significantly, even to the point where I feel almost Euro-Sceptic - well certainly EU-sceptic. Below are some questions I would genuinely appreciate some BRIEF answers to: 1: Can we leagally re-negotiate the terms of our memebership of the EU whilst still being a member? 2: If we leave the EU what effect will it have with our trade with EU member states? 3: In terms of employment opportunities and health care, what effect will our withdrawl have on British Citizens who live and/or work in EU member states? 4: What effect will it have on citizens of other EU countries who who live and/or work in the UK? 5: And finally, what political and economic effects might our withdrawl have on the EU? I am not out to point score I am a party supporter and former activist who is re-assessing my views and would appreciate the comments of others.
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I have just enjoyed reading Steve's report of the campaign and result. Congratulations to our winning candiates and the team in Fenland.
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We also held a town council seat in the same ward yesterday. Both by-elections were due following the sad death of Roger Green, who was killed in a car crash. Roger was a top bloke.
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The Enfield, Blackburn and Harrow results were from last week.
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I would be interested to hear how a basic allowance, which at £10,000 is probably more than some unitary authorities pay their councillors, is justified.
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The Association of Lib Dem Councillors, who are never usually shy of trumpeting their gains, only show two results from Thursday - this one and a town council gain from Independents - no mention of any district council results. http://www.aldc.org/elections/by-election-results/
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What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say about anyone! I do think he might be wrong on this issue though.
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Thanks for your balanced posting Martin. Like you I am happy for MPs to stand up for themselves against the Whips when they think it appropriate. As a traditional Tory who is broadly speaking, on the Centre/Left of the party (if such labels still apply) I have no problem with those of the Centre/Right making a stand on a point of principal. Our party has always been a broad church and long may that continue.
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The Burton Town and Abbey Ward results can be found here: http://www.aldc.org/elections/by-election-results/
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Even though you didn't say please... The pattern I picked up in Bedford, is that Messrs Guthrie and Fuller were associated with one faction from the YCs in the 1980s; the thread I picked up in local government in West London, is that there are a number of other people who were associated with another faction who are now councillors.
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Just as well the Conservative members who selected Margaret Thatcher, John Major, David Cameron didn't follow your logic - they all failed to get elected first time.
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Congratulations on what sounds like a well deserved Conservative victory- albeit not in its self evidence of a trend and not the trend to which I was referring but then I guess you may have known that.
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And of course those on the opposing right wing factions did absolutely no harm to the party during the 1980s did they? Or is your remembrancing of the party so blinkered that you have forgotten the damage they did. Chris Whiteside's original posting would, I hope, draw a line under the factional battles of 20-30 years ago that have resurfaced around this thread but sadly not. It seems to me that for some, it is (and was) ok to have views out of sinc with party policy at a given time, as long as they come from the right of the party but not the left. As for your comment that "all the mistakes" of that decade were those of the TRG - it is so ridiculous that I won't grace it with any further comment. Certainly John Guthrie was robust in his role as an activist on what was then the left of the party but no more so than some on the right.
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Yes but then my long memory also seems to detect a pattern emerging in west London local government.
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As a YC activist in the 1980s I remember arguing passionately for us to stay in the EEC, which was still pretty much what we had then. What we have got now is not what I argued for and defended, it is a an ever-growing blob of a Federal European Super State in all but name. However, what I would like to see is a Europe wide referendum giving every vote a chance to have their say. I would like more than one question asked. I am prepared to vote yes to stay in the EU but want a chance to vote no to further progession toward a European Superstate.
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I really enjoyed that rally. A well-delivered speach by Mrs Thatcher, some comedy from Monkhouse and Corbett, the Everett moment and easily out-chanting the lefties pitched up across the road. Those were the days...
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Your comment prompted me to re-read Nick du Bois answers and if he has admitted to being in favour of Communist principles, then they are pretty well hidden.
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I would like to see Bercow gone as Speaker but sadly I don't think it will happen. As consolation I would like to a division forced to at least see how much support he actually has in the new house.
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Wasn't he in Charlie's Angels? (bet he's not heard that one before...)
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Not sure about the May and IDS appointments but am open and willing to be convinced. I am disappointed that we have given away so many ministerial jobs to the Lib Dems (almost half their MPs will get some sort of ministerial post. Happy about Clarke, Hague and McLoughlin. Alexander in Scotland seems to make sense and Fox, Osbourne and Lansley were always likely to happen. I'm not worried about a referendum on AV, I don't think there is any great desire in the country to change the FPTP system we have got - especially to AV. Not complacent though. It is a very interesting time to be involved in politics and even though the next 18 months are likely to be difficult,I am cautiously optimistic about the future.
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Conservative overall majority of 15
Toggle Commented May 6, 2010 on Your General Election predictions at thetorydiary
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