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I know I'm not the only one bothered by the insults (veiled and otherwise) being tossed about in this thread. It brings down the nature and spirit of this wonderful blog. The majority of us here have a deep interest in what happens in the Arctic and its ramifications for our planet. Meanwhile some in this particular thread are acting like trolls, rolling out credentials and deliberately tossing stones at others. IMHO, it lowers the tone of discussion that is normally excellent. There's no need to get into a pissing contest over credentials. The mutual respect we've always had here should prevail. And as tempting as it may be, it's usually best not to feed trolls--it only encourages them. Just sayin'.
When I posted the 2012 minimum on my Facebook page, two people whom I thought understood it immediately posted about the Antarctic extent. I guess they don't understand the differences between winter and summer and the Arctic and Antarctic. Sigh. Maybe this winter--and next summer--we'll begin see some of the consequences of a melting Arctic. Even so, it takes more than a season or two for the effects of this summer to be linked to weather in the NH. And having the average person make the connection is yet another matter. Most people see colder temps and think, "It's snowier and it's 10 degrees colder than normal. So much for global warming." Or think "Gee it's hot this summer." Sadly, there needs to be some severe changes --storms, drought, extreme temps-- in local weather in many places for most people to "get it." And even then the deniers will say it's sunspots or normal variations.
Thanks, Epsen. That would certainly make it a bit challenging! It was just something I was wondering about.
Toggle Commented Sep 8, 2012 on Cycle plots of Arctic sea ice at Arctic Sea Ice
We all look at ice loss, but has anyone tracked the rate of increased extent, area and volume after the melt season ends? I'm a total amateur, but it seems that viewed over time it would be an interesting data set. Might even show a warmer winter (in relative terms, of course). The winter ice cover drives a lot of NH weather and it would be interesting to see if there is any influence as the ice grows back, maybe especially because it is all first year ice. Is there any correlation, for example, between rate of area and extent and weather patterns in the NH? Is NH winter weather different with a preponderance of FYI as opposed to MYI? Just wondering.
Toggle Commented Sep 8, 2012 on Cycle plots of Arctic sea ice at Arctic Sea Ice
I don't mean to be cynical here, but Superman is largely correct, IMHO. The facts are that no one without an interest in this stuff considers the scientific evidence for AGW and a melting Arctic with any critical thinking. "Besides," most people claim, "climate has always changed, and AGW is all theoretical anyway." The media is useless because they don't understand climate change. So they treat it like weather, except for the inevitable evening news question, "Gee Dr. Climate Scientist, is this [bad storm, drought, whatever] due to global warming?" The general populace thinks (thanks to the media and a meager understanding of science) that climate change is the same as weather. They all just want a nice weekend. The deniers know most people are clueless, so they cater to ignorance and say everything will be OK...because they know that's what people want to hear. Governments mostly don't want to think about it because they don't know what to do, can't agree on anything, or afford to do much anyway. Then there's the fact that a lot of the really big changes we'll see and feel in our respective countries are long term, so many of us won't have to deal with a hotter planet. But our kids and grand kids will. So why worry? It's a sad fact that climate change/AGW had it's 15 minutes of fame with Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth." Now everyone else has moved on. And the planet keeps warming up. None of this is good. As people (and mostly non-scientists) who realize the consequences of a warming Arctic and planet, WE have to do what we can to keep quietly informing people about what's happening. Write your local papers, give a talk at a local library, get people thinking. We probably won't be able to keep the CO2 level from getting to 450 in the next decade, but maybe we can get people thinking more and at least get it to slow down. Best, Noel
The media won't say much of anything unless there are multiple cataclysmic events--sort of like in the movie "The Day After Tomorrow." To the media, less ice in the Arctic is yesterday's news. In Europe they are all focused on Greece, the economy, etc. In the US it's the presidential race and the economy. Nothing else matters. The media generally has the attention span of a newt, and most journalists don't understand science well enough to do more than regurgitate a press release from UB or NSIDC. Frank Pennycook is right, that the chain of causation is too long. Which is why less and less attention is being paid to the Arctic and other evidence of climate change. It's just not news. Sigh.
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