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With quality genealogy sources showing conflicting information regarding the identity of the mother of William de Braiose, 2nd Lord Braiose of Bramber - who married Agnes (---) - I get the impression that further research is needed. If Sir William de Braiose, Lord of Bramber and Gower did have a son William by his first wife - and another son William by his third wife Mary de Ros - then maybe the first son - named William - died young ?
Toggle Commented Jul 29, 2015 on Magna Carta at The Slovak Yankee
Thanks Martin - for the early ancestor tour through the alphabet. Out of your numerous postings - we share over 25 early ancestors - plus at least 10 of the 25 Magna Carta sureties. Your postings have been a great help with the on-going and significant genealogy research challenge - to identify whether published information has been subsequently updated with more recent published research that enhances, amends or corrects earlier published information. The related challenge - of course being - at a reasonable cost - to track down copies of out of print published information that is still under copyright. The free websites www.Archive.org, www.HathiTrust.org and Google Books help to provide online access to scans of published information that is out of copyright and in the pubic domain. Regards, Jaime
Toggle Commented Jul 29, 2015 on Family Wrap-Up at The Slovak Yankee
Thanks Martin, There appears to be a few conflicting sources regarding the identity of the mother of William de Braiose, 2nd Lord Braiose of Bramber - who married Agnes (---). The Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG) website (www.fmg.ac) - on their Medieval Lands - ‘Untitled English Nobility A - C’ webpage - and Briouse (Braose/Brewes) section - identifies William de Breuse, Lord Brewose’s mother as Mary de Ros, daughter of William de Ros & Isabel d’Aubigny - as you show above. The “Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families”, by Douglas Richardson (2nd Edition, 2011) - Vol. I, pages 318-320 - identifies William de Brewes, 2nd Lord Brewes’ mother as Aline de Multon. However, Mary de Roos is also mentioned as “allegedly” having had a son named William. Do you know if Douglas Richardson has issued corrections for his above mentioned book ? Thanks and regards, Jaime
Toggle Commented Jul 24, 2015 on Magna Carta at The Slovak Yankee
Dear Martin, Thanks for sharing your recent Magna Carta related postings - during this 800th anniversary year of the signing of the Magna Carta. Based on your Magna Carta surety postings combined with posted comments - it appears that Rose (Stoughton) Otis was a descendant of at least the following ten Magna Carta sureties: * Richard de Clare, Earl of Hertford * Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Gloucester and Hertford * John de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln * Saier de Quincy, Earl of Winchester * Roger le Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk * Hugh le Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk * William de Mowbray, Baron Axholme * Sir William de Huntingfield * William Malet * William de Lanvallay Do you know of any lines of descent from other Magna Carta sureties - to Rose (Stoughton) Otis ? Thanks and regards, Jaime
Toggle Commented Jul 22, 2015 on Magna Carta at The Slovak Yankee
Dear Martin, It appears that the above Magna Carta surety - Saier de Quincy, Earl of Winchester - was also an ancestor of Rose (Stoughton) Otis - from (1) above as follows: 2. Robert de Quincy m. Hawise of Chester (daughter of Hugh, Earl of Chester) 3. Margaret/Margery de Quincy m. John de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln, a Magna Carta surety 4. Maud de Lacy m. Richard de Clare, 6th Earl of Hertford and Gloucester, listed as (3) on your recent Magna Carta surety posting “Richard de Clare Earl of Hertford” 5. Roese de Clare m. Sir Roger de Mowbray, 1st Lord Mowbray, listed as (3) on your recent Magna Carta surety posting “William de Mowbray d. 1222”. On the same posting you identify (6) John de Mowbray, 4th Lord Mowbray’s “sister Eleanor is an ancestress of Rose (Stoughton) Otis”. This Eleanor de Mowbray m. Sir Roger la Warre, 3rd Lord La Warre, and is listed as (5) on your posting: “The Royal Line of Rose (Stoughton) Otis 1629-ca. 1677 of Dover, N.H. Part II” - that outlines the line from Henry III, King of England to Rose (Stoughton) Otis. Regards, Jaime
Dear Martin, It appears that the above Magna Carta surety - William de Lanvallay - was also an ancestor of Rose (Stoughton) Otis - from (3) above as follows: 4. Hawise de Burgh m. Robert de Grelle 5. Joan de Grelle m. John la Warre, 2nd Lord La Warre 6. Sir John la Warre m. Margaret de Holand 7. Sir Roger la Warre, 3rd Lord La Warre m. Eleanor de Mowbray, listed as (5) on your posting: “The Royal Line of Rose (Stoughton) Otis 1629-ca. 1677 of Dover, N.H. Part II” - that outlines the line from Henry III, King of England to Rose (Stoughton) Otis. Regards, Jaime
Toggle Commented Jul 14, 2015 on William de Lanvallay, d. 1217 at The Slovak Yankee
Dear Martin, It appears that the above Magna Carta surety - Sir William de Huntingfield - was also an ancestor of Rose (Stoughton) Otis - from (1) above as follows: 2. Sarah de Huntingfield m. Richard de Keynes 3. Richard de Keynes m. Alice de Mankesey 4. Joan de Keynes m. Sir Roger de Lewknor, listed as (2) on your posting: “The Lewknors of Sussex, England” - that outlines the line from Sir Nicholas de Lewknor (born about 1211) to: Elizabeth Lewknor (born 2 March 1533) m. Thomas Stoughton, listed as (11) on your posting: “The Royal Line of Rose (Stoughton) Otis 1629-ca. 1677 of Dover, N.H. Part II” - that outlines the line from Henry III, King of England to Rose (Stoughton) Otis. Regards, Jaime
Toggle Commented Jul 10, 2015 on Sir William de Huntingfield at The Slovak Yankee
Dear Martin, It appears that the above Magna Carta surety - William Malet - was also an ancestor of Rose (Stoughton) Otis - from (3) above as follows: 4. Joan de Vivonne m. Reynold Fitz Peter 5. Reynold Fitz Reynold m. Joan Martel 6. Herbert Fitz Reynold m. Lucy Peverel 7. Sir Reynold Fitz Herbert m. Joan Hakluyt 8. Alice Fitz Herbert m. Sir Thomas West 9. Sir Thomas West m. Joan la Warre, listed as (6) on your posting: “The Royal Line of Rose (Stoughton) Otis 1629-ca. 1677 of Dover, N.H. Part II” - that outlines the line from Henry III, King of England to Rose (Stoughton) Otis. Regards, Jaime
Toggle Commented Jul 9, 2015 on William Malet d. 1216 at The Slovak Yankee
Dear Cousin Martin, First - I would like to echo Ray’s comments that I have also been enjoying your blog since recently discovering it - and greatly appreciate your research efforts and sharing of information. Good to learn that the three volumes of old Dover Town Records (1641-1807) are back in the custody of the Town Clerk. Back in 2008 – after seeing references to the old Dover Town Records in “John Hayes of Dover, New Hampshire; A Book of His Family” by Katharine F. Richmond, 2 vols. (Tyngsboro, MA, 1936) – I was then more than surprised to come across the Dover Town Records (1641-1807) listed for sale on ebay – accompanied by a detailed description and photos of the books (I will email a copy to you). My first reaction was – how can this be possible - original books - public property - with important historical information - being sold into private hands ? After contacting the City of Dover and the NEHGS – I heard back from the City Manager of Dover – that a court order had been made to block the ebay sale of the books – and that State law mandates that local records be maintained forever. Do you know if the Town Clerk followed through with their plans to digitize the books and make them available on the Internet ? Regards, Jaime
Toggle Commented Jan 20, 2015 on Dover, New Hampshire at The Slovak Yankee
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