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Right on, Bret -- to put a stone and not be the stone.
Thank you, Tim for your post. I understand your constraint of keeping your thought to one main point for a blog post, however, and for the benefit of others, I would like to suggest an amendment to 1(A) as an additional retort to the Jehovah’s Witness teaching. ObjectionWhile your argument supports the conclusion of Jesus’ divinity using Ps.102 and Heb.1, the first objection I expect to hear to your 1(A) reasoning is this: Jehovah created Jesus and used him to create everything else. That, if true, removes the need to assign divinity to Jesus. One justification cited is Col.1:17 (NWT) “…by means of him all other things were made to exist …”, referring to Jesus. The word ‘other’ in the NWT is of course key. Yes, Jehovah made everything. Second, Jehovah is ‘one’ and there cannot be another (Deut.6:4, Is.45:5, etc.). Third, since it’s absurd to have made yourself, Christ must be made by someone else – Jehovah. So the passage puts the Son making everything, or rather, as they argue everything else. Hence we have the objection to your 1(A) argument: the clarity we need to understand Hebrews 1:10 is found in Colossians, not by importing Trinitarian teaching into the text. Despite the common misunderstanding of the Trinity (in perceiving a logical problem of both Jesus and Jehovah being God) there is scriptural response to that without needing to “explain” the Trinity, which I have found to be a road-block; it tends to appear to have been “derived” and not explicit in the text.Response(1) Now the retort to that objection, found in Isaiah chapter 44. Jehovah spends the first 22 verses comparing Himself to false gods, repeating that there’s actually no other God and, really, mocking idols that can’t do anything. Then in verse 23 it changes, and in 24 it states, “This is what Jehovah says, your Repurchaser, Who formed you since you were in the womb: ‘I am Jehovah, who made everything. I stretched out the heavens by myself, And I spread out the earth. Who was with me?’”(NWT) Note all the parties involved in the making of creation. How many were there according to this? If Jehovah was by himself when he made everything, and then rhetorically asks ‘Who was with me?’ – implying no one else – then how could Christ be there making everything else in the presence of Jehovah? How could Jehovah make Jesus, and then through whom make everything else (ref. Col.1:17 NWT)? How can “by myself” mean also that He wasn’t by Himself? (2) Furthermore, John 1:3 states, “All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.”(NWT) Where’s the ‘other’ there?! Wouldn’t that be needed to prevent the disastrous and heretical misunderstanding that Christ was somehow Divine? Shouldn’t it be translated “All other things …”? Forget the John 1:1 debate for now, if ‘other’ was included in Col. 1:17 what about all the other ‘other’s?The retort to their objection is Is.44:24. If Christ was there why was Jehovah alone?
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Sep 11, 2015