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Jane, I actually don't know. I assume you'll tell me?
Toggle Commented May 16, 2021 on Saturday Morning at JustOneMinute
JE -- I wondered if someone was going to take umbrage at my handle. Myself, I was horrified at 9-11 and had some work colleagues die in it. But thanks for playing
Toggle Commented May 16, 2021 on Saturday Morning at JustOneMinute
clarice -- Yes, I remember you too. You are that correspondent for a publication that retracted its writing on Dominion. I am slightly curious what you guys have without the Dominion theory, but I haven't gone looking for it. If there is something, please advise. Otherwise, I'll have to figure your thinking is as muddled as mine.
Toggle Commented May 16, 2021 on Saturday Morning at JustOneMinute
Abu Gharib. (I've had this handle a very long time)
Toggle Commented May 16, 2021 on Saturday Morning at JustOneMinute
Iggy, The gulf between you, your political friends, and the rest of us is going to be that ironclad belief that the election was stolen from Trump. Maybe stoking that will get you your Civil War. I doubt it. The one time a presidential election was really stolen (1876), there was no war. It may be because the South got what it wanted in 1877. It may be that they remembered that the last War did not go well for them. But it is the historical precedent, and you should keep it in mind. The one thing I wish you would really think hard about is this. Should you get your wish -- the 2020 election overturned through some impossible to imagine process -- you will have a larger population than 75 million believing the election was stolen from them and also hitting the streets. Despite your optimism, there is no reason to believe you would win that war. A thread or two ago, you mentioned you thought the Arizona audit would be important on how things develop. I have my doubts. The GOP professionals really don't want to litigate 2020 in 2022. They want it all to be an unhappy memory. They hope they can have Trump's support, but somehow evade the conflict he generates. The way to play that is let the audit happen, but ignore it for some reason. Like you, though, I would like to see the Arizona audit get serious play. The "election was stolen" narrative was controlled by Lin Wood and Sidney Powell, and their garbage theories. The only hope in resolving the gulf is the Arizona auditors (who are there to produce a result -- not audit in the accounting sense) give it their best try and make the best case available for a stolen election. Then we might have a shot at putting this to bed. This is a situation much like the newspapers attempt at recounting the votes in Florida in 2001. They did it -- and found that Bush really did win. While a lot of the rabid partisans never gave up the idea of a steal, this went a long way to making that election a bad memory rather than a festering sore.
Toggle Commented May 16, 2021 on Saturday Morning at JustOneMinute
Miss M: Elections have certainly been stolen in our history. So it's possible that: 1. The vote in Cobb was still majority Republican, despite demographic changes; and 2. A Republican head of elections did stole a lot of votes, somehow, in favor of the Democrat. Is it likely? Plausible enough that it would make a good surprise element in a best seller. The odds are against it, though. The theories about Georgia concentrate on Fulton County for a good reason. Elections there have been a mess for years, and there are a lot of Republicans in the County whose votes can be identified and excluded. If it were me, I would work on stuffing ballots in Democratic strongholds like Clayton and DeKalb counties.
Toggle Commented Apr 28, 2021 on Gun Up! at JustOneMinute
Ig: Is it unfair if I link you with this opinion? My primary reason for refusing the vaccine is much simpler: I dislike the people who want me to take it, and it makes them mad when they hear about my refusal. That, in turn, makes me happy. Here's the link again: https://amgreatness.com/2021/04/26/i-wont-take-the-vaccine-because-it-makes-liberals-mad/ That quote in no way misrepresents the article. He repeats the same thought in somewhat different language all the way through. And illustrates that certain among the MAGA elect want to make every gosh darn thing a stupid political issue. Just like the wokesters on the Left. Is that how you think of yourself Ig? By the way, I found the article through memeorandum. That probably explains the lefty influx.
Toggle Commented Apr 28, 2021 on Gun Up! at JustOneMinute
rse: Cobb county is a lot like Gwinnett these days. A lot of the less affluent have been moving in. It's easy to forget, if you live in East Cobb (the affluent part), that much of Marietta has gone Hispanic and South Cobb (Mableton, Austell, Lithia Springs) is filling up with apartment complexes that vote Democrat en masse. Just as an aside, I don't see why a GOP establishment in Cobb would cheat its way out of a job. As you note, there were good reasons to vote the bums out if you were a Cobb county resident.
Toggle Commented Apr 28, 2021 on Gun Up! at JustOneMinute
On the prior thread, Stephanie quoted a really intelligent posting on conservative vs progressive views on natural rights. The sort of thing that gives me hope that once we navigate the next few years, we can go back to intelligent political conversation. Then there is stuff like this: https://amgreatness.com/2021/04/26/i-wont-take-the-vaccine-because-it-makes-liberals-mad/
Toggle Commented Apr 27, 2021 on Gun Up! at JustOneMinute
Hey Stephanie -- Thanks. I'm probably hopeless (from your point of view). I just found what you quoted a very cogent argument that echoes Abe Lincoln. Of course, Lincoln wasn't dealing with Progressives back then. Project for self -- what were the circumstances of the creation of FDR's Four Freedoms speech. It was a big deal back in WW II, but mostly forgotten now.
Toggle Commented Apr 27, 2021 on On To The Next Crisis at JustOneMinute
Stephanie, Who is the Michael Smith that you quote above? I like the snippet you shared.
Toggle Commented Apr 26, 2021 on On To The Next Crisis at JustOneMinute
Iggy: Since you insert my name into the conversation you are having with rse, let me comment: 1. It is not fine that Amna K. Akbar was allowed a platform in the Harvard Law Review. A brief scan of that article did not do my digestion any good. 2. Sometimes, the easiest way into someone's soul is through their twitter feed. Make your own judgments. https://twitter.com/orangebegum?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor 3. She does a very twitter rush to judgment on the Columbus case. But it wasn't her kid that was about to be knifed, so I guess that's ok.
Toggle Commented Apr 21, 2021 on Getting Ready For The Weekend at JustOneMinute
Stephanie, Focusing on trends is a better way of looking at this. Sure, there are false positives. There are also people who have mild/no symptoms and never get tested. I think they outnumber the false positives, because (as anonamom noted) reported cases seem to be half the rate of actual infection. If you figure the ratio of over/under counting is constant over the country, Florida still has about 10% of the cases, still has a rising number of reported cases (and therefore infections) over the past month. Its rate of cases also resembles the downslope of the second wave in FL -- which wasn't herd immunity. So, I don't think we are herd immunity yet. Not in the USA, or in Florida. That was the point of my comment to Jane.
Toggle Commented Apr 21, 2021 on Getting Ready For The Weekend at JustOneMinute
Jane: I am not conceding the point we are at herd immunity. I am conceding that I had no idea that the JOM consensus was that we were there. Herd immunity pretty much means people are exceptionally unlikely to catch the virus because enough people are immune and the virus does not have a chance to spread. The rolling 7 day average of cases (as of 4-20) is 64,530. To put that in context, that's about the same number of daily new cases that popped up nationwide during July 2020, the peak of the "second wave". To take it locally to Florida, the daily case rate on 4-20 is 6,267 (9.7% of average US cases over the period). That's comparable to the rates Florida had in August 2020, during a period where nobody would have argued there was herd immunity. It's also up a bit from the 7-day averages during the month of March (example, March 16 at 4,527) Based on this, it doesn't look like you are living in herd immunity where you are. If you were, the numbers wouldn't be rising, and your state wouldn't have 10% of the national cases. But since you have your shots, and Stephanie has her antibodies, you probably aren't at risk for catching anything or spreading anything. (The idea that vaccinated people spread the virus seems far fetched to me.) I look forward to your critique of this. The numbers come from the charts you get when you google COVID-19 infection rate united states and COVID-19 infection rate Florida.
Toggle Commented Apr 21, 2021 on Getting Ready For The Weekend at JustOneMinute
Jane So did you get a shot?
Toggle Commented Apr 21, 2021 on Getting Ready For The Weekend at JustOneMinute
Jane -- So 50% of the country has either had it or gotten their shot? Or do you have some lower percentage in mind? When did we get to herd immunity? What's the problem with Michigan?
Toggle Commented Apr 20, 2021 on Getting Ready For The Weekend at JustOneMinute
...And I am not touching the Chauvin decision in these precincts...I couldn't look at the video, and I haven't followed the case.
Toggle Commented Apr 20, 2021 on Getting Ready For The Weekend at JustOneMinute
Stephanie, Much to your relief, I expect, I wasn't around much for the second half of the Trump administration. I did not know you had had COVID. That makes your calculation different, and, who knows, you may have talked to your doctor about it. Do remember, though, that Trump was a COVID survivor, and he still got his shots. The problem I have with your viewpoint is that, what you think is good for you, isn't good for a lot of people, and is not good for society. It's better if we get to herd immunity quickly, not by chance, and not by waves. I have a feeling that you believe that now the government has the Fauci jackboot on us, they aren't ever letting go, vax or no vax. I don't agree, but we'll know quickly enough. For now, this may be one of those titanic divisions that it's not worth talking about. But, if you are right, it does mean we are heading towards an Old Lurker doom scenario.
Toggle Commented Apr 20, 2021 on Getting Ready For The Weekend at JustOneMinute
Narciso That's DeKalb County kibitzer, bub... Stephanie If my grandma talked like you, my Ma never would have let me anywhere near her. The filth in your mind is crowding out any sense... Seriously, you (and sbwaters) write like you think getting the vaccine is worse than getting COVID. That idea really stinks, but the advantage if you have COVID is that you won't notice because your sense of smell is gone.
Toggle Commented Apr 20, 2021 on Getting Ready For The Weekend at JustOneMinute
Staphanie -- Facts cited in your last comment (as opposed to opinions) 1. There's A Stanford study on masks. (Fine. has nothing it do with vaccines) 2. Big box stores were exempted from shutdown. (Again, nothing to do with vaccines. It would have been kind of hard to shop for essentials in a lot of towns if the Walmart was closed.) 3. You sometimes get the flu. 4. A personal anecdote on the HPV vaccine and your daughter. The rest was a lot of opinion you take to be true. By the way, if you want to minimize COVID, you should say its just a somewhat more severe version of the common cold. (Coronavirus is related to one of the viruses that causes the cold) Here's my response to your facts. It's something you should consider: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01337-2 https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/il By the way, further COVID restrictions were removed in Israel yesterday.
Toggle Commented Apr 20, 2021 on Getting Ready For The Weekend at JustOneMinute
Stephanie, OK, there's a saying that you can't reason somebody out of an opinion they were not reasoned into. I was indeed stupid to try.
Toggle Commented Apr 20, 2021 on Getting Ready For The Weekend at JustOneMinute
narc: You are simply wrong on the polio vax. Children could not go to school without getting one. Smallpox vaccine dates back to the 18th (smallpox). You only use the rabies vaccine if you suspect you have been bit by a rabid animal.
Toggle Commented Apr 20, 2021 on Getting Ready For The Weekend at JustOneMinute
Melinda -- Tell me the entire theory here. I know there was a company that screwed up the J&J manufacture and I also know that Pfizer was ordered to make J&J vaccine.
Toggle Commented Apr 20, 2021 on Getting Ready For The Weekend at JustOneMinute
Miss Marple, it happens that I agree with Trump on both getting the vaccine and that the pause on Johnson & Johnson was a disaster. (Biden's worst decision thus far.) Stephanie, You are passionately anti-mask. As a practical matter, masks and hesitancy and closed restaurants and travel restrictions will continue as long as there are a lot of people not vaccinated. Maybe your current part of the world is different and you can get by without using a mask. But much of the rest of the country can't, and if tons of non-vaccinated move to your piece of Florida, you'll probably end up with COVID problems whether you like it or not. Vaccines is how this ends. That's always been true. Your decision probably doesn't make much difference. But there are a lot of Stephanies out there. And they can vote to prolong this, and then complain when it's prolonged. Now, I'm sure I have convinced you. Right? (Eye roll...)
Toggle Commented Apr 20, 2021 on Getting Ready For The Weekend at JustOneMinute
Hi all, You could be forgiven if you didn't learn this morning that Trump one again urged his voters to get a vaccine. This is because neither the left or the right wing media seems all that interested in reporting it. Here's Forbes reporting the issue with so much snark that the message gets lost: www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/04/20/trump-i-dont-know-why-republicans-are-vaccine-hesitant-again-floats-pfizer-conspiracy-theory/?sh=7bd3ff496b34 Fox News own site actually does a dreadful job of reporting Trump's call for his supporters to get vaccinated, concentrating instead on his criticism of Biden's J&J decision https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-fda-pausing-johnson-johnson-was-terrible-only-benefits-pfizer-moderna I see by this site some claims from narciso and Stephanie that the vaccines don't work as well as advertised. Trump does not agree with you.
Toggle Commented Apr 20, 2021 on Getting Ready For The Weekend at JustOneMinute