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"not what I thought the Conservative Party was about. I believed it was not burdened by ideology, that is for the Left. It is left-wing hacks that try to polarise Tories with ideological descriptions because that is how they have been schooled. Such people are motivated by ideologies and believe everyone else must be" Well said Winston. This whole post is deeply depressing for it's nonsense. If people want wholesale left they should vote left or join left: Labour or the Lib Dems
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What a lovely picture of Maggie. Thanks for sharing that. I was rather disgusted by the Twiiter commentary yesterday from the Left. To be honest it was plain hideous. Whatever your views on politics you simply don't call for someone to die. Is that reallyt the simple and childlike level of Twitter's lefties these days?
Toggle Commented Jun 9, 2010 on Wednesday 9th June 2010 at ConservativeHome
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You know and I know that a joke about government legislation and a crow in Eltham has no bearing at all on my sentiment towards the deaths of those people. I think comments like yours are simply pompous drivel.
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Women joggers in Eltham attacked by a crow who hates blondes http://tinyurl.com/2w878gf / Government MUST now act to ban crows
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Janet Street Porter and Nadine Dorries remind me why I remain firmly opposed to the idea that having more women in government or indeed a Minister for Women brings any balance to the issue of 'gender concern’, ‘redressing sexism' & 'equality'. I really hope this Coalition develops some balls. It is also about time men were appreciated for sharing a wide range of views on all manner of issues. They are not all patriarchal women oppressing lemmings. They are the fathers brothers husbands boyfriends of rape victims and non ceiling smashing struggling low earners (add in XYZ leftist campaign here) at the end of the day. Maybe they have useful views to share? Men have been demonised, scape goated and had their ‘rights’ (in so far as that word as any meaning left) crushed under foot in the solid rush to ‘protect’ and 'represent' women. I’m not denying that there are some sneering sexist bitter old attitudes out there still and raunch culture doesn’t help. But there are just as many female Gerald Warners out there who’s view of women is equally cranky– if not worse - and just as many female chauvinist pigs who happily peddle raunch culture and constantly work to sexualise women. Women will not ALL by nature seek to support or nurture other women in laws, business or in any other area and why should they? They have their own minds and can think and act accordingly. Both Porter and Dorries and Labour's catholic Kelly & Jowell are entitled to their opinions but are firmly out of touch with reality in a number of areas and views, utterly sexist in others and so certainly do not speak for me. Hariet Harman made me cringe with her overt contempt for men. We frequently see women lawyers and judges adopt a patriarchal approach when it suits them to do so. Cherie Blair made every effort to ensure schoolgirl's could wear overtly misogynist shrouds. I don’t feel better represented by women or feel that government needs to reflect my gender to ensure it’s business is conducted fairly and ‘equally’. I simply expect Parliament to do it's job and present a full range of FULL debate and well researched facts in a traditionally (old fashioned) liberal democratic fashion - before enacting laws. Whether those views come from men or women I don’t care. Why do the Left and increasingly politically correct politicians who succumb to this nonsense insist that women are a ‘pitiful’ ‘minority’ group who need corralling and patronising? Do we all need reminding that we had a slew of successful English queens, good and bad, and a woman Prime Minister in spite of a much more patriarchal and hostile society? All of this nonsense has been shipped over by the American Left - an increasingly neurotic bunch who alongside their equally neurotic Right wing have skewed politics into *politics by identity* all around their protracted and explosive abortion debate. The British Left are now determined to do the same. The answer to that is to reject it outright. Not to force women into politics to ‘balance out’ the ship – but to illustrate by example that people of merit occupy these posts and our trust whether they are men and women and reflect social views generally as best they can. That Parliament will debate issues fully and properly and fairly represent ALL views before passing Laws. Women are not sheep – but have a wide range of views thank you very much - including on hot button topics like abortion where some are in favour of current legislation and others are not. Just as gay men, at least those I speak to, are not all sheeple who feel utterly oppressed by the laws as they stand and actually see government priorities elsewhere other than gay marriage/adoption/B&B nonsense. We need politicians to stand up and make that very clear. I am fed up with being patronised by the Left who seem to be freely steering this debate as they see fit without any argument. It is no small surprise that Thatcher means nothing to them precisely because she had her own views and would not be corralled into drinking the Marxist kool aid - as though only Marxists ever secured fair representation in Parliament. For them it is all about – let’s have more women in Parliament PROVIDED they do as we say and think as we say. Women landing roles and then not sharing the Left’s opinions including Labour Equality previous 2 out of 3 ministers wrong-foots them comically - and it is this which needs repeating.
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Fantastic news! English 'devolution' must be kept on cards.
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Norman Tebbit isn't sticking his head in the sand - he recognises the Conservatives won and that the electorate deserve what they voted for and what's best for the country is not some grubby back room deals to suit Iain Dale's views. We need a strong government to deal with the economy. I welcome Lord Tebbit AND Lord Owens wise words on such a move that takes into account the country's best interests and places the economy above PR reform. But Dale telling a man whose commitment to the party nearly cost him his life and his wife her health to "fuck off" is downright immature. Is that the future of the Conservative Party? Dictating the shots the way New Labour have without any concern for core voters at all? If it is you will wind up like New Labour. And the Tory core vote won't vote for you in future. They ain't as dumb as Labour's tribal voters. Can you rely on us at another election? No. Yes we may have a coalition or agreement but it depends what is conceded- Tebbit said he would support Camerons talks if Cameron upholds his manifesto pledges. That is the right thing to do to honour votes cast on Thursday. The tail should not wag the dog no matter what people and quangos like his one want to concede or dictate in a power grab just because they now can. That is not what the electorate voted for last Thursday when they put an X next to Conservative. Just as they do not support or uphold this new liberal streak being taken to such an extreme- as demonstrated by the thrashing of DCs Faux PC Brigade in the election.
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Country before party indeed. NO compromise on what the electorate voted for. NO compromise on wholly Conservative government and full manifesto pledges. NO tail wagging dog. The Libs should be grateful for any crumbs thrown their way and put country before party.
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Are you aware of how little of the % vote grew for the Tories between 2005 and now? Hell the Tories could have had UKIP votes on side with a simple gesture on the EU and stormed it. And UKIP voters sure ain't socialists like you. Just shows you how little this liberal/socialist hogwash means to Tory voters. On Friday I thought Cam had done a good job on converting seats but on paper the %s simply do not illustrate this need for the party to have changed. At the end of the day though Lord Owen on Sky just now was right about the economy. So al this gay vote crap and PR "essential" will wither away when the country realises the mess we are in. And maybe just maybe he is right that having 60% of the electorate behind you on the reforms necessary is worth it to save the country from fiasco. Between Lord Owen and Lord Tebbit some very smart commentary. Lord T is also right - Cameron must NOT renege on his manifesto priorities. Lord Owen is right that Clegg needs to seize the day and help rescue the UK. The EU is busy stitching us up big time to boot so as Lord O says - electoral reform can be done but via boundary changes first over a 2 year consultation period and PR referendum can come later. Economy first. Frankly if we want a referendum on PR in the name of democracy then we will need one on the EU as it also impacts on our democracy and we need one on an English Parliament too. I sincerely hope the relevant groups make sure they get those last two referendums. I couldn't give a flying fig about gay rights. You have your civil partnerships. Live with it.
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I'm on the Tory Right and I voted Tory in spite of your appauling socialist-fascist priorities for the party over and above our economic crisis. I regret it and I won't vote Tory again at the end of the year. It may have been Scotland that killed off a Tory majority given that the BNP vote and UKIP vote cancelled one another out. But the fact remains the Pink Tories did not do a good enough job in seats where they clearly should have. And the fact that the Tories are now letting the liberal tail wag the dog is proof of that patheticness. I did not vote Conservative on Thursday to see them throw in the towel on their key manifesto points. As they apparently are.
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It wasn't UKIP which cost the Conservatives this election - it was clearly the Red Tories. What a fiasco they have created.
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I don't believe this. I voted Tory for the economy and over education. Gove's education plans were central to my decision. If he caves in I will not vote Tory again. The tail is srsly wagging the dog. And PR now too? This is a pathetic show. Hand Brown back power and forget it.
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Can someone explain to me how we can achieve a minority government? I mean it sounds great but is that realistic? Id have thought Lib and Lab would hook up and guzzump it surely?? I'd go for the lesser of two evils please considering the debt repayment at stake and the thought of the eurozone, entirely left wing suited electoral reform, trident and so on....
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You mean Scotland David? (hopefully this comment will publish in the correct place - ConservativeHomes comment threads are all over the place)
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Bravo Elaine. Well said. Exactly right.
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Totally agree. If UKIP failed to get a seat under Farage then it is their strategy and their ides that are a failure. Which means Cameron read the electorate exactly right because we made huge gains off the back of it. UKIPpers arguing otherwise is pure fantasy politics. I was wrong here throughout the campaign. I stand corrected about Camerons smart strategy. And yes as ive argued above Scotland is AS big an issue here. I think I would far sooner fight for an English Parliament now than for our exit from the EU. Scotland and the Union seem to have a far greater impact on our lives.
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I tend to agree about the debt. Every single voter questioned on various TV coverage stressed not the EU as an issue but the DEBT. Then meanwhile you have generations of zombies raised under New Labour to think the State rules. I think Cameron made a success of the latter but failed to address the former. And at the end of the day it can just as well be argued that Scotland cost the Tories a majority. And I suspect they outnumber UKIPs million votes. Ultimately Camerons strategy was mostly vindicated by the result. My arguing otherwise here throughout the campaign made me WRONG. I can see that by looking at the result!
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Sorry guys but I'm looking at a massive swing to the Tories following the last FAILED two elections where your strategies flunked. What election are you looking at? Which electorate are you examining?
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Its not Cameron who is to blame. It is the mentality of the British electorate that he is "pandering" to in order to gain enough seats to govern and that is precisely what this election proved to me. It will take a decade of conservatism to undo the damage to the British psyche that New Labour has done. Yesterday on the news they interviewed students who voted tactically to keep "the horrid Tories out" - students who know nothing of these "horrid" Tories because they have never lived under a Tory government! That is why Cameron had to do what he did and only once in power can we slowly wean people of this Statism they have become so attached to and slowly return to conservative values and seem them properly and freely embraced by free thinking individuals. Why is it that so many people who keep criticising Cameron (myself included for much of my time spent here) cannot see that this his strategy about the present electorate mentality was totally vindicated in this election result?
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Oh s*d it. I wish UKIPers would take into account our national debt. At £24k a person payable over the next 5 years by whoever is in charge on Monday I would far rather we had a government that properly addressed that without recourse to yet more socialism please eg the Tories The national debt is a far greater PRIORITY FOR THE NEW GOVERNMENT THAN ANYTHING ELSE AND THAT INCLUDES THE EU! Also it could equally be argued that it was Scotland that cost the Tories a working majority. Time to end that Union, tackle national debt second and then tackle the EU monster. My thanks to UKIP for risking further integration into the eurozone at a time when our debt stands where it does - and yet more socialist debt on top of that. Yeah thanks very much. Hope zero MPs and the up coming coalition was worth it you utter utter numpties.
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Sorry that should read EU and Eurozone
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So the Kippers are saying their million votes was worth more than sum total of all the huge gains the Conservatives made? They didn't gain a seat but prevented a Tory majority and were and are prepared to risk a Lib Lab coalition that would take us deeper into the EU and possibly the EU. Can someone explain to me (nicely please) how their logic works? I agree Cameron should have played the EU card more strategically and promised what he did on Friday far more emphatically in the debates including re-ratifying Lisbon - but I get the impression UKIPPERs actually think they are the "true conservatives" which with only a million votes in hand and no MP secured is rather strange thinking if they seriously have the future if this country at heart. Can they not see the last two elections for what they were - Conservative flunks?
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A referendum on the Lisbon Treaty and a discussion about repealing the draconian smoking ban and handing at least some choice in this matter back to pub landlords would indeed be a guaranteed landslide.
Toggle Commented May 4, 2010 on A game-changer for Cameron? at CentreRight
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Who needs these US super-styled meaningless scripted 'debates'. For real politics & honest to God democracy all we needed was Gillian Duffy.
Toggle Commented Apr 29, 2010 on Thursday 29th April 2010 at ConservativeHome
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This is the LAST election with any legitimacy. The public need to know this Well said. And with absence of leadership anywhere, I find it deeply depressing.
Toggle Commented Apr 19, 2010 on Monday 19th April 2010 at ConservativeHome
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