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Here in North Carolina we are penalized with a $100 tax every year for owning a PHEV. How's that for incentive.
@Mannstein No different than lead or cadmium that we have been using in batteries for decades. We just need to control the waste, like anything else.
@Calgarygary Resale for PHEVs right now is not that good. For example, my 2013 Volt is worth only $15,000 (Kelly Blue Book). That's only 41% of what I paid for it 2 years ago. By comparison, my wife's 2011 Jetta TDI is worth the same amount and 59% of its original cost. I agree the price of the ELR is not competitive. The Tesla model S is lightyears ahead in performance and gadgets and can be had for not much more.
"No, it's because "the application will take excess electricity from intermittent renewable energy sources" and use this energy-to-gas process as a way to store the energy for later use." Why not store as compressed air (CAES) or pumped hydro? Making hydrogen (electrolysys) is roughly 70% efficient then you are converting to methanol. Not sure what that efficiency is. Let's say it is 90% efficient. That makes overall efficiency 63%. Much worse than a battery (advanced lithium) and comparable with pumped hydro or CAES.
Sounds to me like the CO2 will be re-released when the methanol is burned. So you are effectively getting more energy for a given amount of CO2 released. I'm not sure why we are wasting time with this. Maybe to justify building more combustion power plants?
They should have made it more visually appealing. It looks like a corolla with flared out fenders. For the price, and inconvenience of finding fueling stations, they really should have done something interesting with the design. Very ugly in my opinion.
"Autonomous future EVs will find and drive the vehicle to the closest wireless charging facilities when required, activate and pay for the energy used, move the vehicle to the parking lot and advise the human driver (via smart phone) when charging is finished and pick him/her up at the door and drive off." And the smart phone will be implanted in your head and will transmit this information straight to your brain.
$45,300 for the range extended version is pricey. A Volt can be had for $35,000 before tax credit. Volt Price reduction anouncement Although I have to admit, I like the i3 styling over the Volt.
I have to admit it probably is more aesthetically appealing than the Volt or Leaf however I think most if not all of the same technical achievements were made with the Volt or Leaf. I still think the Volt has comparable or even better specs.
All I have to say is that Elon was not taken seriously when he started an electric car company, and even more so when he started a space company. If anyone could do it, or even show that it is possible, it's him.
Henrik: Not sure where your Volt pricing came from. They are leaving the dealers now at $37,000 or even less for the base and $40,000 for loaded versions. With Gm's recent announcement to lower the price in 2014 to $35,000 I think the Volt is still a better buy. We'll still have a lot of people brand preference going for the BMW over the Volt though...
Unless this thing is priced lower, I'm not sure how it will compete with the Tesla Model S.
@Sublime - L2 charging can be more efficient than L1 in most cases due do fixed losses (in the charger, not based on rate) for less time. Here is a DOE study showing this with the Chevy Volt : Link So hopefully more PEV owners will use L2.
1991 CRX SI 0-60 was 8.5 seconds. 2012 prius is 10.2 sec. The performance of the CRZ is sad.
Tim, You are wrong there. The money for this program, like all other pilot or research programs California's public utilities run, comes from money collected from the utility rate payers, not the state's general fund. Therefore it is not connected to the state budget and you (as a federal tax payer) are not paying for it. Other states have similar programs for small distributed storage. Check out AEP's community storage project: That one is much bigger (and more expensive) than SCE's project
0$ federal money, all state money Other states are busy burning coal. California needs this type of device to support their high level of renewable generation In volume this thing will be well under $10k not including any incentives. It also can back-up your house, replacing that noisy $2k back-up generator. Utilities will pay for the benefits these devices will bring: VAR support, load shifting, Demand Response, etc
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