You know I wanted to fight you right? I changed it...but I still wanted to fight you.

If you were abused and don't understand that discipline is different than abuse then you are probably abusing children. Society has made it unacceptable to ABUSE children even though it's still considered a cultural norm to many.

"Beatings make children hard. And the only thing circulating in my mind was taking that extension cord and putting her ass through the sliding closet doors of my bedroom. Which ended up happening." THIS.THIS.THIS! I've been beat with an extension cord to the point where I couldn't go to school or couldn't be touched. My mother would cry as she put shit on my oozing welts. I remember she dropped to her knees once as she tried to pull a shirt off a dried wound without hurting me. I never cried. I just kept imagining all the ways I could kill my father or how happy I'd be if he was killed on his way home from work. I never felt guilt for wishing him dead and it's only been recently, through conversations with family, that I found out the extent of the abuse he went through from his father who was well reputed to being the meanest SOB ever made. My father was of the same damn mind that he turned out fine because of the beatings when nothing was further from the truth. He was fucked up because of the beatings. His father beat him like a slave and he beat us like slaves trying to beat whatever "it" was out of us. And to this day...we're all some version of fucked up. Stop that shit man. Don't pass that shit on to kids. Don't have them thinking that they have to be hurt to be right.

NEVER a 4 year old. I couldn't even imagine.

Child...they are delusional if they think they turned out right. All the insecurities. All the fears of messing up and failing thinking it will be the end of the world. All of that. A child should never be afraid of severe bodily harm from people who supposedly love them. That's not love. That's some slave master shit from back in the day. You keep trying to beat stuff out of kids you'll either break them or lose them. Simple.

Yeah...4 year olds don't need all of that. They're 4.

I don't think the lines blur when you're bigger and stronger than the child. When a teenager steps to you thinking they can whup you however? Being intimadating? Oh yeah...he/she will get dropped. Same as if they stopped to a policeman with that. I'm the law in my house.

Yup. Just take the game away. Simple. You're the adult. As far as belts...I don't have a problem with a swat or 5 or 10 with a belt once the child is too big. CONTROLLED of course. Always controlled. Now...about eating a Little Debbie cake? *BLINK* Not a good reason in my opinion.