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This capital expenditure for the supply of hydrogen fuel for 35,000 vehicles illustrates the difficulty of the task: $4,286 per vehicle, which does not include the distribution or retail dispensing infrustructure also needed. Solar canopies at work would be a lot cheaper.
CE, the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV gets you pretty close to your SUV. I have one, think it’s a great value for the price.
City buses have short, predictable routes and mandated rest stops for drivers at the end of route. They always park in the same lot at night. Ideal for the less expensive, lower maintenance battery electric drive trains. A case for FCVs for semis, over the road coaches and luxury RVs could be made if there were a nationwide H2 infrastructure, but there’s not. At $15kg, that will be a steep grade to climb.
Kudos to BMW. Nearly double the battery capacity in only 6 years.
If this could tow a Honda Clarity FCV dingy, you could have your solution today, Harvey.
Plug-in hybrid SUVs are in the $34k to $140k range . Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is $34,595 MSRP (I got mine for just over $30k before incentives, which knock another ~$6,500 off, more in some counties in CA). Tesla Model X starts at $83k before incentives. The Performance model is $140k. Good to see these all-electric crossovers appear on the market, in every price range.
This is a welcome development. One of the few things I dislike about my 2018 Volt is Level 2 charging that is half the speed of most other other electric cars.
Porsche is trying to position their high density permanent magnet motor vs Tesla S/X AC induction motor. Interestingly, the Model 3 also uses a permanent magnet motor. https://electrek.co/2018/02/27/tesla-model-3-motor-designer-permanent-magnet-motor/amp/
Personal attacks serve no purpose in this comments section except to discredit the person making the attack.
Every battery breakthrough provides more support for confidence that a 500Wh/kg is achievable. Whether the time frame for commercialization is 3, 7 or 12 years, it's a clear signal that the path forward for transportation is battery electric. More complex and expensive drive train solutions will have increasing difficulty obtaining funding within that window.
Swappable batteries are great, and the Gogoro is gorgeous, but scooters should also come with the ability to plug in. Let’s hope Honda gives consumers the option of charging the way that suits them best.
Net consumer lease prices for the Bolt are up $100/mo or more from about a year ago. When the Model 3 is available in quantity without a large backlog, the Bolt will be a much tougher sell.
On the list of “things to be afraid of,” Tesla fires seem to be very low on the rank sort. How many Tesla fire deaths have been documented where the occupants had not already expired due to blunt force trauma? (I recall reading about a car thief that came to a bad end. Seems like that case should be excluded as it included a 100+ mph joyride that terminated in a telephone pole and/ or building). The relevant stat appears to be “miles traveled per fatality or serious injury” per make/model.
Apology accepted, I appreciate the civility. I haven’t written about Tesla fires, because we’re not an ambulance or fire truck chasing kind of publication. We don’t really do news at all, we do EV education, mostly for consumers, and recently some fleet topics. As the owner of two Teslas, a Model S with 75,000 miles that’s been from border to border and coast to coast in the US, and a Model 3 that’s already racked up 7,500 miles in five months, naturally I’m personally interested in and concerned about any maintenance issues. I’m less concerned about Tesla fires than gasoline fires. They seem to be much slower moving and less lethal. All cars have mechanical issues. What impressed me about Tesla is that they have been incredibly good about any repairs, including out of warranty repairs, that have been needed. I’m also impressed that they seem to turn around fixes, like the Consumer Reports identified braking issue for the Model 3, much faster than any other automaker (mere weeks in that case). I was an auto technician as a first career, first British makes, then Japanese, then BMW and some Mercedes. Finished my career in a well-know exotics repair shop. I’ve seen the repair business from both sides of the counter. I’ve never seen better service or faster engineering fixes from any automaker. Friday and Saturday I hosted an Electric Car Guest Drive in Orlando for two hundred people who were interested in learning more about and driving EVs. We had Tesla Model X, S, 3, BMW i3, Nissan Leaf, Chevy Volt and Bolt, Mitsubishi Outlander, Toyota Prius Prime. All the top selling EVs. The week before, we did the same in Kansas City. The Teslas were by far the most popular cars for drive requests, and people came away with the highest praise for the Teslas after the drives. That’s not my own bias, that’s what several hundred people experienced and reported. No one that I talked to was concerned about battery fires.
Never miss a chance to be nasty, Davemart, or to moronically conflate Electric Car Insider and Inside EVs even though you’ve been told no less than six times here that there’s no relationship between the two publications. Perhaps, like Trump, you feel that if you repeat the lie often enough people will believe it. As much as you bash Tesla, they’re now the leading seller of premium sedans. The market disagrees with your point of view.
The important take-away is that if these performance targets are met, battery electrics will be the most cost-competitive technology by far, validating Tesla’s daring strategy. Whether Toyota, Nissan and Honda can create compelling cars that compete with Tesla’s successful mix of design, practicality and performance is an open question. They have the technical chops, but do they have the vision?
A motorist who saves $100 per month on fuel over a 15 year period banks $18,000 (not including compounded interest or returns if those funded were invested wisely). Nearly enough to pay for an entry level electric car in ZEV states with rebates and Fed tax credit. In states, like California, where fuel cost savings are “only” 40-49%, homeowners can install solar and assure themselves of lower cost transportation fuel for the next 30 years, at least.
I don’t drive my car on a track. I want safe, reliable, good value, beautiful, practical (seating, cargo) and responsive in real road conditions. My Tesla S and 3 check every box. Never needed to do a second hot lap. Ever. If Porsche delivers on my list, will be interested. But on a value basis, the Model 3 will be hard to beat.
OP> Toyota projects that global sales of fuel cell electric vehicles (FCEV) will increase significantly after 2020 to at least 30,000 per year from today’s 3,000. Global production 30k. In 2020. BNEF says EV sales will hit 11 million in 2025. https://about.bnef.com/electric-vehicle-outlook/
Can not wait to get one of these gems decked out with dual super-slides for the Electric Car Guest Drive. With a full week between cities, this thing could be charged at 1.4kW and still make the rounds all over the US. Most RV resorts have 240 40a or 50a service. At 9.6kW, this bad boy is fully charged in 47 hours, probably 48 with taper. You could keep moving every couple of days using existing facilities all over the US, with zero inconvenience and a fuel cost n the order of $0.10 per mile, $54 for a 500 mile run. That is a beautiful thing to behold.
Jim Robo, CEO of NextEra Energy: new renewables will be cheaper than existing coal plants by the early 2020s. NextEra subsidiaries include Florida Power & Light (America’s third-largest utility, with 4.8 million customers). https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/1/29/16944178/utility-ceo-renewables-cheaper
Once current power contracts expire in 2027, it will be illegal for California utilities to get coal power from out-of-state plants. As a result, the plants will need to be shuttered or converted to natural gas. In order to keep selling electricity to California, Utah’s Intermountain Power Project is expected to convert to natural gas by 2025. The Utah power company sells about 90 percent of its power to six California municipalities. About 45 percent of the company’s capacity is owned by the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, who has indicated that it will curtail coal use by 2025. Los Angeles Department of Water and Power will also sell its 21 percent ownership in Arizona’s Navajo Generating Station to the plant’s operator, the Salt River Project, by summer of 2016. It gets 477 megawatts of electricity from the plant’s coal-fired generators. As part of the sale, the Salt River Project must close one of the plant’s three coal generators by 2016. New Mexico’s San Juan plant is planning to shutter two coal-fired generators by the end of 2017 due to federal EPA regulations. http://instituteforenergyresearch.org/analysis/californias-hidden-coal-use/
A California bill would make the state 100 percent renewable by 2045: https://thinkprogress.org/california-100-percent-renewable-4b7530084941/
I’m going to do my part moving toward the Governor’s 5m ZEV target by picking up a Tesla Model 3 on Monday. Will spend the next year driving it all over the US and letting other people drive it too, as part of the Electric Car Guest Drive. Send me an email if you’d like an invitation to drive my Model 3. There is no cost. chris@...
Harv, the article doesn’t say reduce total costs by 75%, it says Toyota is targeting a cost reduction of key components. Right there on the first paragraph (“core technologies” in the headline). It FCVs ever reach cost parity with BEVs and PHEVs, it will be an impressive achievement. But to be competitive, the fueling infrastructure will also need dramatic improvements in cost reduction.