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Forgive me, but I'm not sure you're getting my point. It just seems like the distinction is being made to absolve ourselves (the "good" cyclists) of any wrong-doing, and I'm saying that's disingenuous.
Toggle Commented Apr 9, 2010 on Downtown Sidewalk Cycling at TheWashCycle
Don't get me wrong, I still have a bit of a grudge against messengers based on my experiences with them; and I can also honestly say that I haven't ever sped down a crowded sidewalk. In fact, I don't routinely ride on the sidewalk anywhere. However, I have cut off pedestrians, even inadvertantly, in crosswalks. And, I'm betting most cyclists have once in a while. Do you honestly think that most of those people in the crosswalks are making a distinction somebody on a bike inching through the crowd and a bike messenger speeding up a crowded sidewalk? I don't - and that's why I'm saying I think it's not particularly helpful to make those distinctions. In fact, I think it's kind of self-righteous to make such distinctions.
Toggle Commented Apr 9, 2010 on Downtown Sidewalk Cycling at TheWashCycle
My favorite is when I get cutoff by an SUV with a "child on board" sign in the back. Nice!
KillerV, I think you need to consider the possibility that you see what you want to see, like all human beings. I'm not disagreeing with you that bike messengers are a big part of the threat to pedestrians from cyclists. I am disagreeing with you that they are necessarily the only part - or even the main part - of the problem. I don't think that all cyclists ride like this stereotype of how bike messengers behave (and, btw, it probably is a little bit of a stereotype); I'm just saying that I think we need to be honest to ourselves a little and acknowledge that none of us are angels. I began my comments on this post by saying that cyclists are often to pedestrians like motorists are often to us as cyclists, and admitting that I have certainly cutoff pedestrians in my rush to get to and from work. Those incidents were examples of me as a cyclist being inconsiderate, regardless of fact that it was not intentional. Maybe I'm only seeing what I want to see myself, but I know that I see lots of people cutting each other off, cyclists on pedestrians including. This happens usually at intersections, and it happens because everybody is in their own little world to and from work. It's reality, and I think it's not particularly useful to try and make distinctions and pass on the blame. I think, instead, it's more rational and helpful just to take the initial post as a helpful reminder to be courteous to pedestrians. And, if you are one of the few who already does so all of the time, without fail, well bravo to you! (For the record, I'm not a bike messenger, though I ride to work with a bike messenger bag. I wear my racing team's kit, so I don't necessarily look like a bike messenger, though I probably smell like one.)
Toggle Commented Apr 9, 2010 on Downtown Sidewalk Cycling at TheWashCycle
Because, unless you are interviewing each of the violators you observed, you are basing your observation on your own assumptions.
Toggle Commented Apr 9, 2010 on Downtown Sidewalk Cycling at TheWashCycle
I'm sorry, I just think it's intellectually dishonest to make this distinction between bike messengers and other cyclists.
Toggle Commented Apr 9, 2010 on Downtown Sidewalk Cycling at TheWashCycle
http://ddot.washingtondc.gov/ddot/frames.asp?doc=/ddot/lib/ddot/information/bicycle/cbdu.pdf&open=%7C32399%7C
Toggle Commented Apr 9, 2010 on Downtown Sidewalk Cycling at TheWashCycle
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