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TomTom writes:- "Don't the Conservatives have a Mrs Warsi in Dewsbury, whose family runs an Immigration Lawyers Practice ?" Doesn't Mrs Warsi like to spin one line to her Muslim constituents and another to her white constituents? Sayeeda Warsi's misleading claims
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Hannah writes:- "Multiculturalism will never work with radical muslims because they don't want to fit into the Western world." The signs have been there for ages but everyone has been walking round the ever larger Muslim elephant in the room. An ex-Muslim, Dr Patrick Sookhdeo provides an excellent insight into the the Muslim agenda Islamization of Europe Islam and World Dominion There was an excellent article in the Telegraph about Dr Sookhdeo which was mysteriously taken off line for some reason but can still be read here The day is coming when British Muslims form a state within a state
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Speaking of the Balkans, we are very likely to see West Yorkshire turn into our own Kosovo within twenty years, as the Muslim populations of Bradford, Leeds, Kirklees and Calderdale continue to outgrow the indigenous population by a wide margin.
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Sean Fear writes:- [That makes the government's stance so hypocritical, Simon. They abolished the "primary purpose" rule, so enabling huge numbers of spouses who can't speak English to enter the country. They have encouraged the biggest wave of immigration in our country's history. And they brought in the Race Relations Act 2000, which obliges public authorities to apply affirmative action.] The point about the abolition of the 'primary purpose' rule seems to have escaped the Conservative Party since 1997. It was almost the first thing that Labour brought about and has been the single biggest disaster for the country in the last ten years. It provides for immigration by the back door and has cost this country dearly. Within some Muslim ghettos 75% of marriages involve the importation of a foreign, illiterate, non-English speaking spouse, usually from somewhere like Kashmir into areas of already very high deprivation. Such areas will inevitably become even more segregated, more deprived and more alienated and lead to further radicalisation. It's time that someone looked at the root causes of these black holes of poverty which soak up every last drop regeneration investment without making any significant difference and questioned whether poverty was actually being imported. The 'primary purpose' rule must be restored as quickly as possible.
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Sonya Porter writes: "A large percentage of immigrant girls marry about 20 and have their children early.This means that the home-grown have 3 generations in 100 years while immigrants have four generations in 100 years." Sonya, you are on the right lines and you will get there eventually... According to Ann Cryer Forced marriage scandal 300 girls a year, some as young as 12 are taken out of schools in Bradford and sent over to Pakistan to become child brides. So you are almost right, except for the fact that these Muslim girls are likely to have two or three kids or even more by the time they are 20. They are also likely to have much bigger families than there white counterparts. Perhaps this is why the population of Bradford has just been estimated to grow by a staggering 25% in the next 25 years. Bradford population to soar I would estimate that 70% or more of that growth will be in the Pakistani population. The projected growth is higher than anywhere else in the country and it spells disaster since the district is in terminal economic decline, Muslim unemployment rate is huge, academic achievement 50% below the national average, and community leaders are already warning about the possible growth in extremism with current unemployment levels Concerns over rise in ethnic minority jobless A million well educated, keen and hungry Poles on the doorstep ready to snap up any available work only serves to exacerbate the situation. Personally I can't wait to get away as far as possible before the whole place blows up. Can someone suggest to me how David Cameron's 25% ethnic quotas in schools are expected to work in a place like Bradford? Perhaps he should concentrate on how to dampen the population growth rate instead, since disaster looms.
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Sean Fear writes:- "Indeed, talk about integration vs multiculturalism is meaningless while we have a policy of unlimited immigration into the UK." More to the point, talk about integration itself is meaningless in the context of a 30 sq mile Muslim ghetto, especially one which is expanding so rapidly. What opportunity for integration is there?
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TomTom writes:- "This is a Church of England School - no doubt it will boost its White UK Heritage children from 4% to 25% with ease...................." It might be somewhat held back by the fact that there are around a dozen other primary schools within half a mile whose proportion of white kids varies from 0% to 5%. But hey, let's not call it a ghetto. There aren't any ghettos in Bradford. Bradford's Director of Policy, Kersten England declared as much. Segregation in Bradford >>> She said there were no "ghettos" in the city. <<< Quite a breathtaking statement if I may be so bold... It's ironic that the chair of the governers at that school, a CofE vicar, actually sent his kids to the only RC school in the area.
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TomTom writes: "The Bishop of Bradford spends his time with the Muslims because the cathedral is a bit beached in an inner city which many people no longer visit after car-jackings and armed hold-ups - women seem to feel afraid of travelling in alone." The Bishop of Bradford has an ardous task appeasing Muslims so that incidents like these do not occur more frequently Church attacked by 50 youths Church subject to fire attack It is interesting to note the Bishop's observation about Christian-Muslim co-operation Bishop of Bradford's speech in House of Lords >>> In this country we have some advantages. We have an established Church. Therefore religion is on the agenda for all to talk about. Unlike Germany, Muslims in Britain have citizenship. This difficult but vital debate must take place in that context. It is not just a question of the training of imams in this country. Half a dozen of my clergy intended to go to Pakistan. They wanted to learn and to listen, the better to work with Muslims in Bradford. Therefore, they asked if they might pay a visit to a local imam training seminary. The answer was, "No, we do not want you"--a complete flat refusal. Too often clergy working in Muslim areas of the city find themselves repulsed when seeking to develop or deepen relations between mosque and church. <
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Jonathan: You clearly have no idea what 50 years of chain migration from Kashmir to Bradford looks like. I suggest you find out. Social housing plays no part at all in this ghettoisation. The vast majority of Muslims live in private housing. The possibility for this immigrant community to integrate with the indigenous community is non existant because of the wholesale abandonment of large areas of the city - white flight has been massive. I heard a figure of 100,000 but cannot substantiate it. To get some background on the problems you would be advised to read this supplementary report to the Ouseley Report - it's quite an eye opener, but little known about Race Relations in Bradford
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TomTom writes: "Muslims in Bradford do NOT live in social housing . they live in private-sector housing, either rented from a Muslim landlord, or bought on a mortgage." Let's be honest here. It's far more likely to be bought with cash than bought on a mortgage. However they manage to acquire so much cash I'll never know...;-) I have heard many stories of Muslims knocking on people's doors and offering to buy their nomes for cash even though they weren't for sale. I even heard about two business men with briefcases full of cash visiting a priest and offering to buy his church!
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Denis Cooper writes: [One might have thought that a few alarm bells would start to ring when an Islamic extremist tells the Home Secretary to his face that he shouldn't enter "a Muslim area", but apparently not.] Don't worry, Dave has got this one covered. Expect Sayeeda Warsi to take on the mantle of Home Secretary. They are not going to tell a Muslim woman to get out of a 'Muslim area' unless she fails to turn up in a black tent of course. Interestingly one of her potential constituents was suspended from her teaching position for wearing the veil Dewsbury teacher suspended How on earth would any ethnic quota system handle the school roll for such a school which is firmly in the Muslim ghetto, and where so few kids speak English? Speaking of the Vice Chairman of the Conservative Party, I wonder how many people are aware of the mixed messages Ms Warsi is sending to white and Muslim audiences... Ms Warsi - Forked tongue?
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TomTom write:- "50% Bradford University first year is too..............and 40-50% all primary school children in the whole Metropolitan Borough. Look at Challenge College for statistics and see how far that catchment is for what is basically an ethnic institution. As for 3 miles - Redburn Drive is more than 3 miles from Little Horton and Nab Wood certainly is. These are all Muslim areas of expansion and overflow." Statistics are very difficult to come by. Where can I get them? I notice that Ofsted no longer provide an ethnic breakdon of school rolls. It's not surprising when you find schools like this school a school b school c These three schools are within a radius of a few hundred yards. There are another half a dozen similar schools, all full to bursting within half a mile. How on earth is David Cameron is going to apply 25% quotas? He wouldn't even be able to fill a 5% quota. As for the distance between Little Horton and Nab Wood - I was talking about a 3 mile *radius* not diameter. The 'ghetto' is six miles across. Of course, it isn't a perfect circle but provides a good approximation. Basically anywhere inside the ring road is inside the ghetto, although it is expanding rapidly in all directions.
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TomTom writes: " only 16% of the population are Muslims, equate that to Pakistanis, Well Denis I suggest you recall that Bradford is a Metropolitan Borough of 550.000 people - Maidenhead has 60.000 and the total area is 198 km2 Bradford covers 366 km2 and is 20% Asian Pop density is 1324/km2 in Bradford and 698/km2 in Maidenhead/Windsor. The city core is predominantly Muslim extending right into the city centre. Frizinghall is 79% Muslim and that is Bradford/Shipley." It's inaccurate to compare 'Bradford' with Maidenhead like this since you are comparing very different entities. On the one hand most people who refer to the 'City of Bradford' actually mean the metropolitan district which is two thirds rural and contains four sizable towns - Shipley, Bingley, Keighley and Ilkley as well as the old city of Bradford (pre-1973 LG reorg). If statistics for just the city were used, then a very different picture would emerge. The city itself is the same size as places like Nottingham and Leicester so could be compared more easily. Within the city you could draw a circle at a radius of three miles from the centre and you effectively mark out the ghetto. Go a further mile and it is almost like a different planet. Population statistics are quite revealing. Apparently only around 20% of the metropolitan district are from a BME background, yet 50% of the births are. This suggests that comparative birth rates are 4:1 BME:white. Scary!
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I take it that Denis Cooper has never seen white flight in action... The idea of establishing a new school located so that its catchment area straddles the geographic boundaries between the different ethnic groups is clearly nonsensical. Because of disproportionate birth rates between different groups schools can change from 75%/25% white/BME to 25%/75% white/BME within a period of a few years. Once schools reach a tipping point where whites are down to 50% there is a very quick exodus out of the catchment area as ghettoisation takes hold.
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Further to TomTom's post... The shortage of white children in inner city Bradford is because of the shortage of white parents. The majority of white people remaining anywhere near the centre of Bradford are old and too poor to move, otherwise they would. Bradford has a huge Pakistani ghetto of around 30 sq. miles around the city centre and it is growing pretty rapidly. There is absolutely no chance of the Pakistani community integrating because there is no one to integrate with. Some people may be interested in an Ofsted report about a school which is typical for the area, such as this Ofsted report It shows that out of 390 kids in the school only 2 are white, 2 are Indian and the rest Pakistani. The report mentions:- >>> Nearly all of the pupils on the school roll speak English as an additional language and speak Punjabi at home. <<< I'd like to know what David Cameron would propose for such a school. Does he honestly think that there would be an uptake for a 25% quota for whites? The man is living in cloud cuckoo land.
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