Just saw Greg Olsen announced his retirement. Great NFL career. Time keeps moving on and waits on no one. Canes greats about all Gone from the League now. Remainder are mostly good players but not not great. Fundamental changes to college game that we’ve been talking about for over a decade means it’s much more than Manny & Co “learning” from old Cane great coaches/recruiters. The world has turned and there are fundamental structural hurdles The U has to overcome. I believe that can be done, but we MUST start overachieving - stop getting azz stomped every other season and build some momentum. Think Clemson around 2010-12. Seemed to come out of nowhere but once their “plan” came together, the recruits and the winning kept coming.

Wow. Very cool seeing all the old-timers cocking out from under their rocks... alpine, VA, CGNC, montana, tony, RCCF, oldschool, Toledo, mark, harry, roach... and “those that never left” like TSully, of course 86. If I left anyone out, sorry Lots of good points here since game end. I avoid in-game blogging - reading or typing, for sanity sake. Totally agree... King carries this team on his back. How he plays so plays the team. No one else is near ready for that role. I recognize now that a big part of the problem with our running game the last several games has been King’s failing to keep the rock more. Just a few keeps is enough to open up the center. I think this was huge win for the program. Like others have said, last decade or so we give up and lose this game. Defense got shredded all night then stepped it up when it counted most. Offense, King, carried the team on a night when the D had it rough. Loved it. And even though I love great defense, I’ll take our 700 some yards of offense over the crap we’ve seen the last few years - big time! Exciting game. Loving it that we lulled it out and won Q4!

Difference of opinion and the ability to have civil discourse to resolve these differences seems to be non existent. Posted by: KYcane | November 05, 2020 at 10:11 PM Truth. But hopefully NOT here!

Aero - great question about Clemson-ND. Given their performance against BC, it’s tempting to say this is ND’s big chance to pull the upset. BUT... my money is on the rest of Clemson’s 4-5 star studs rising up and bringing the wood to ND. Maybe I just like it when ND gets their sh_t handed to them? I think Clemson has had 2 weeks to absorb the news and adjust mentally. They’re not just a 1 or 2 horse pony IMO. There’s so many guys on that roster - like playing Miami in 01. Might be a good game but the boys from Death Valley pull this one out.

Fun seeing everyone here on pre-game day! Happy that U r back VA! In the spirit of some of the previous comments, let me say... If Trump loses it will be because while he won by being divisive and outrageous, he decided to also govern that way. He never even tried to meet the middle in the middle. Not the far left mind U, I agree with him that there’s no point in that. But the middle that was willing to take a leap of faith on him in ‘16. That group didn’t all leave him - the election is close enough to make that obvious. But JB only needed to pick off a small % of that middle. A little Trump is kinda fun. 4 years of all Trump all the time is like fingernails on an old style chalkboard. Add in his perceived (real?) lack of empathy during COVID and... BAM! He had the economy rolling and some pretty impressive foreign policy wins - in the Middle East especially - no matter how much he loved photo ops with dictators. Then he blew it. Like Hillary 4 years ago, no one to blame but himself.

Hello All Canespacers! Happy Election Day! I’ll avoid any overt politics and just say that I hope U all exercised your most fundamental of rights today (or early) - The Vote. And don’t forget... whether Red or Blue, on Canespace we ALL bleed ORANGE & GREEN! Go CANES

David Wilson via Susan Degnan: Mike Harley admitted Miami's wide receivers were "taking shortcuts" this year. "We would just do the bare minimum," he said. Pressure — external via social media and internal via a nine-player competition — fueled a breakout performance against Virginia. miamiherald.com/sports/college… -Doing the bare minimum describes 80% of the players we’ve rostered since 2003. There’s your answer 86. From 2003-about 2006 we had enough talent, 1st-2nd round talent, to overcome the ever increasing complacency and lack of discipline. After that... crash & burn. Story has been the same ever since regardless of coaching staff. There’s always some players working their butts off and giving all every game every practice. BUT the culture overall became a “bare minimum” culture and that hasn’t changed. Or perhaps it IS changing but slowly. Instead of worrying about how bad this team is because it isn’t blowing away opponents 56-0 or living up to the impossible to live up to comparisons to the great old days past, I suggest just accept that every game is a challenge and winning beats the hell out of losing. If we end up 9-1 or even 8-2, that is exactly what everyone has been saying for years we should be and a hell of a lot better than what we’ve been in a long time. And it is something to build on. Just a suggestion but it’ll make beings fan more fun.

LOL CGNC... I found a clearance sale and bought like 12 pairs of socks during the game. Was seriously considering watching an episode of Fargo. Pretty sad

last night was one ugly uninspired game to watch, just plain painful! Posted by: Herbieibis | October 25, 2020 at 10:21 AM Truth. After the 1st 2 plays I thought we’d have the backups in before Q4.... eh, not so much

Posted by: CGNC | October 25, 2020 at 09:16 AM Best compliment a guy can get from someone who knows her stuff!

The targeting every game has gotten old. Bitch about the rule 24/7 if it makes U feel better BUT the rule is still the rule and we break it, blatantly, every game. Not like this D is deep enough or talented enough to overcome suspended players every game. Beyond that... 5-1 beats 4-2 or 3-3. This team isn’t a NC threat. But like many on here have said for years, we should be good enough to win the Coastal every year. We’re good enough this year and headed in that direction - no guarantees, we’re not that good. But we “should” this year. Thinking we could just bypass this stage and jump right to NC level after last years dumpster fire was ridiculous For this group... just win baby. Hopefully there’s a QB on the roster learning from King

Posted by: 86Cane | October 12, 2020 at 01:01 PM It is King’s team this year. And deservedly so. He might not be the best college QB in Canes history but he’s the best we’ve seen in some 15 years and the one position we don’t need to stress right now.

Nice article 86. OL has been and continues to be our single biggest problem. If U can run, if U can protect your QB, U will have success on offense. On Sat night we couldn’t run in the middle and we couldn’t set the edge to get outside. No run equals long yardage to first downs equals DL teeing off on QB. Now when OL cannot protect QB either, U got nada. What we need is simple. Better OL play. Or better OL players. Only upgrading the OL wouldn’t have meant a win vs Clemson - the entire roster AND coaches need to be better to do that. BUT, a better playing OL is essential. We can still win a bunch of games this season. We need better OL play though

58: The Day After Clueless Was It Over When the Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor?

CoCane - Good to see U bro! CGNC - Great analysis as always! This Canes group ain’t bad. But nowhere near top tier yet. There was nothing our O could exploit... we tried to run outside & they were faster than us AND made tackles - basically 0 yards after contact last night... we tried to run inside but our OL got dominated... WR didn’t win any 1-1 battles and if they did, odds were King got sacked anyway... mental mistakes and penalties killed any momentum... physically?... they’ve got A BUNCH of League ready guys, we have perhaps 2-3. But, Clemson doesn’t always play perfect like they did last night. Our biggest challenge now is to forget this one and focus on getting better and winning out - possible but NOT a lock by a long stretch. I believe this team has potential. Question is how mentally tough are they??

Venables: Welcome to big boy football Mr. Lashlee...

Great article 86 and so prescient. Pretty disappointed. Not even Q4 yet but this story is written. They got better coaches, better athletes, better football players, and more fire in the belly. We got.... a long way to go. Like watching the JV take on a team of all city pro bowlers. No team in the country is as complete as Clemson though. They’re only weakness seems to be blocking for field goals. We should still legit beat everyone else on the schedule. Wouldn’t take it for granted though... coaches got to do better, players got to do better.

OOO YEAH BAAAAABY!! R U having FUN yet??? 86’s famous prediction used to be 34 points a season, now?... its per half! PILE-IT-ON CANES!!!

An OC and a QB - what we’ve been missing for the last 15 years! And there is plenty of room for improvement... Defense U hear what I’m saying??? Very impressive performance on the road vs a pretty good Offense. Loving it so far! CANES!!!

Weird year weird football season! But who cares?!? It’s still GAME DAAAAAY!!! Much love to all Canespacers! Stay Safe Stay Healthy Stay Sane! GO CANES!!!

In these days of no sports and endless woe, it is nice to come home to a safe familiar corner of the Internet. How are all U Canespacers?!? Taking a bow for JJ. Love U Coach! Hope everyone is alright. There’s talk of moving foosball to spring out here, just a little... not much not too loud... but still... wish I could get excited for the fall. Should be as it’s a make or break season for ole Manny or it sure feels that way. But I’m not seeing a season happening. Hope I’m wrong!

Of course remember Fran. It’s good to hear he is doing better. Love to see him back here someday...

Tres. Great article. Thanks 86

Happy to see Da ‘Space back for at least another month! Hope U all are staying safe and healthy. Sports will back soon. It’ll be a long road. It won’t be the same, at first. But it’ll be better than nothing and in time we’ll move past coronavirus. Go Canes!

AND.... there is NO WAY to rank or list the top 10/20/30 CANES of all time. Too many different ways to rank and too subjective. And way too many great players and great teams. But here’s my take. Main criteria... outsized impact on team success and overall growth of The Program due to individual player contributions. Some great players will have more championships or wins, but also played on insanely talented teams while other greats played on less talented teams and elevated those teams to success or greatness through their talent or will power or leadership. I favor the players that raised the play of less talented teams. IMO these guys paved the way for the recruiting success that led to the insanely talented rosters. So in no real order but kinda oldest first, here goes... Ted Hendricks Ray Bellamy - 1st black scholarship Football player at UM and at any major university in the southeast. He makes the list for pure courage. Jim Kelly Otis Anderson Bernie Kosar Michael Irvin Jerome Brown Vinnie Testaverde Steve Walsh Warren Sapp Michael Barrow Cortez Kennedy Blades - pick one lol Edgerrian James Reggie Wayne Ray Lewis Clinton Portis Dan Morgan Willis McGahee Andre Johnson Bryant McKinney Ed Reed Frank Gore Sean Taylor Ken Dorsey Devin Hester The ‘01 Defense Schnelly Jimmy Butch Al Golden Ha! Got U. Scratch Golden boy!