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Why don't you turn it down a notch or two, lady? You don't get to imply I'm sick because I ask a guy making extraordinary claims to come up with some evidence. --You--and everybody reading this-- well know NO food studies are double blind in nutrition; few are even controlled.-- I quoted the very source, a fervent Gundry supporter, you linked who said that needed to occur. Your source, not mine. But as a for instance he substituted pro-biotics and other supplements. Wouldn't a proper study have included a control group who had those supplements but didn't eliminate lectins? --And what do you mean undiagnosed patients?-- Dr. Gundry tracked 102 consecutive patients with proven markers of autoimmune activity (rheumatoid factor, antinuclear antibodies, etc…) and biomarkers of inflammation. Patients showed signs and symptoms of: Showed signs and symptoms of is not the same as have. The language is curious. Doesn't mean they weren't but without access to the study how do we know how elevated any of these markers were? --You know not one thing about this guy, yet you accuse him of lying for profit.-- I may have said that but I doubt it. I said he has a conflict of interest, which is a very different thing. And I do know he is pretty much the only guy saying this stuff. Now that may mean he is the voice of one crying in the wilderness. Or it may mean he has gone down a rabbit trail. He would certainly not be the first smart sincere guy to have done so. And since I don't know anything about him maybe he is a crook. I don't know that anymore than you know he isn't, cause all you know about him is you read a book he wrote. Angels write books and bums do to. --Deciding since so many people eat lectins without a problem, his concluding that they appear to be the cause of enormous trouble for some because of stimulating an immune response to human proteins is a lie?-- When did I say it was a lie? I said, maybe he's wrong and maybe he ought to provide some evidence for his claims. Moreover he doesn't just conclude lectins are an autoimmune problem, does he? They supposedly cause heart disease and neurodegenerative diseases and obesity and diabetes. For all I know they do all that. For all you know they don't. What the hell is wrong with asking somebody to back up their frickin claims? Instead of diagnosing me, why not ask yourself why it is some stumpheaded goof who spent his life mucking about with diesel fumes, chainsaws and dirt is more skeptical and more interested in guys making extraordinary medical claims backing those claims up with some frickin evidence than you are. And while you're at it maybe you could ask yourself why you're so emotionally invested in putting me in my place for asking for some evidence. As I said before I'll be happy to be proven wrong and that he does have all sorts of science backing him up. And I'll be happy if his diet works for every person who tries it. Until then he's just somebody saying something. And you're somebody coming pretty close to going over the line, for no good reason, in what was and should be a rational discussion.
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The other alternative is water, so meager is as meager does.
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--FWIW the Saudis say they will be back to full production by Monday-- Well, yes but...they are Arabs.
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Excuse me while I go eat a couple of chicken breasts smothered in pears, and honey-white balsamic vinegar sauce with fresh basil on top. Next week? Five days of a crust of bread for breakfast and vegetable soup for lunch and dinner. This crap better be doing some good, that's all I can say. If I end up in a wheelchair and senile, I'm huntin that Longo dude down with my last breath, assuming I can even remember who he is. :)
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OK, that's a start, in fact I think you either cited it before or I read it before at his site, but as the author said; A responsible researcher would say we need more trials, bigger sample sizes, control groups, and a greater array of autoimmune diseases to confirm that a lectin-limited diet can cure autoimmune disease. The responsible researcher in me agrees with this statement. she also said this; An autoimmune patient would say “SIGN ME UP.” I've said that before too. What does someone have to lose since there is little treatment for autoimmune diseases. If I had heard of him when I had sarcoid I probably would have given it a shot too. I have never said he might not be right, including today, only that non anecdotal evidence is scant to non existent. A non controlled, non double blind, and from the sound of it not actually diagnosed group of patients isn't exactly the gold standard of clinical trials.
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--Iggy, I don’t want to get into your fight, but since you don’t need to go on a diet, why do you care?-- I thought I was in a discussion, but whatever I'm in, I shouldn't care unless I have to lose weight or have some condition that needs reversing? Everybody has a diet. I'm not all that concerned with how long I live but I'd like the best chance to be mobile and of a sound mine when I check out. So I look at the claims of what people say make that most likely and I check out what support there is for it. I learned the hard way in court, in tax issues, in forestry, in firearms, in tiddlywinks and yes even in medicine to not trust anything anyone tells me without verifying it, no matter how expert they are and no matter how many letters they have after their name. If you don't have sound, solid evidence you have no idea what you have. Surely a lawyer gets that.
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--Ig, you might want to give that a read. I promise you, that woman doesn't think Garvey is selling snake oil.-- What was her diet previously? She went on a ketogenic diet and stayed in ketosis. How do we know that isn't what put her in remission? How do we know she doesn't have some rare genetic defect that makes her a 1 in 1000 or 1,000,000 case? We don't, which is why anecdotes are not science. When my wife was sick and I was looking into alternatives I could have posted a thousand testimonials of people with cancer who claimed they were cured or put in remission by hair analysis and pancreatic enzymes and drinking Drano to balance their blood ph or not eating sugar and a thousand other quack remedies. They weren't.
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You compared Longo to the Clintons. Does it get any more scurrilous? The createcures foundation does research on longevity. What research does Gundry do with his proceeds? What separation from the proceeds does he have? I simply pointed out Gundry has a conflict of interest that Longo has at least placed some separation for himself from. And the fact remains Longo's proceeds produce actual science. Where is Gundry's? It's all in his footnotes. OK, I'll order it up and hope to be proven wrong but I do remember more than one review following his footnotes and finding little support and often contradictions. --Really Ig--you think this guy has spent his life taking care of dying children, operating at all hours of the day and night, mastering immunology in addition to the most difficult field of cardiac surgery, and then decides he's going to cook up some theory where you can't eat hardly anything, so he can sell diet books???-- I pointed out before that Linus Pauling, one of the great scientists of the 20th century went bonkers on the quackery of megavitamins for a long time so Gundry's credentials and good works are of no probative value and constitute essentially an appeal to authority. As to the Masai blue zone; I never heard of it because it doesn't exist. The average lifespan of the Masai is something like 50. The claim was they ate nothing but meat, blood and dairy and had no heart disease. That apparently isn't quite the whole story either. Same with the Inuit.
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Wild turkeys prefer to walk or run and often the only time they will fly all day will be to and from their roost tree. Like all fowl type birds which are all strong runners; pheasants, quail, grouse, jungle fowl; they're relatively weak fliers and after a short burst to get off the ground and gain a little altitude like to glide.
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--Longo giving his profits to the Longo Foundation makes him more--what exactly? Clintons do that too.-- That's pretty scurrilous primarily because it appears to be inaccurate. He says he neither directs nor profits from his foundation. The Clintons quite obviously do both and they do it using primarily money OTHER PEOPLE who are buying influence and access donate to them.
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--Ig, for someone who claims to not be trying to convert anyone to anybody's school of nutrition, your attacks on Gundry and your advocation of Longo certainly read like exactly that.-- People can eat whatever they please and I couldn't care less. People can also not eat whatever they please and I will care commensurately. All I have said is Gundry aint got no science. You aint never provided any so I'm thinkin he prolly aint got any. Longo does seem to have some science. Whether anyone follows him I don't give a fricasseed, lectin free rat's arse. But that doesn't change the fact Longo seems to have science and Gundry doesn't. I will add Fung [who is pretty close to Longo's viewpoint] and Taubes seem to have good science too. That's partly my point; lots of conflicting science and claims = nobody knows much. Now, since I love baked goods, root beer, steak, pork chops and also cakes and pies among the very various baked goods, milky way bars and Mounds and ice cream with the various baked goods, I wish Longo was wrong. But I go where the soundest science seems to lead. Taubes seems sound if you're fat or diabetic. I'm neither. And I eat way more meat than Longo recommends so Valter can suck eggs too. The soundest science seems to be avoid processed junk foods and fast. I can do that, so I do. What anyone else chooses to do is of no concern of mine. I will tell them my opinion if they want to know what meager knowledge I can share and that's it. The rest is between them and their fork.
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--That's good news. I've got plans. Posted by: Les Nessman-- Oh man. That the hardest I've laughed in several days.
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--That must have been fairly recently. Last time you'd posted on him you said you hadn't read his book, just gone to his site, and you were complaining about the supplements he sells.-- No last time I posted I had gone to his site and read great many reviews both pro and con and linked several IIRC. They did review his supporting claims. And I did an extensive search for independent confirmation of his claims. They don't exist regarding lectins that I can see. If he is citing actual studies none of them are making it online. If his claims are true about lectins then Jason Fung should be shunned no, since he seems to have zero qualms about lectins? I have to confess I ordered Gundry's book from ebay but the ebay crook never sent it so I'll have to try again. I anticipate with great fervor being proven wrong, but remain less than sanguine about the odds of that occurring. And I will confess my ignorance of the Georgia and Masai blue zones. I know of five; Okinawa; Sardinia; some place in Greece, Ikythiorkrakadupulos or something; some place in Costa Rica and the 7th Day Adventists of Loma Linda CA. The last may have the highest life spans in the world and are complete vegetarians and eat all sorts of nightshades, grains and legumes. the Okinawans suck down rice like Whimpy did hamburgers. And it's worth noting that the suggestion has been raised that the reason people "live so long" in these blue zones is because they keep lousy birth records. I haven't read Buettner's book but might get it. --And fasting is what Longo's research is on, not whether three or four servings a day of grains will increase longevity and promote health, or whether fish is healthier than beef, as far as I can determine.-- Well I do have his book and have read it and that is not true. The name of the book is The Longevity Diet, not Fasting Your Way to Geezerdom. More of it is about diet than fasting. The last quarter of it is dietary guidelines and recipes for when you're not fasting. --All statements he makes on any of that is simply his subjective preference. -- Also not true. His primary interest in blue zones is not whatever fasting they do but their diets. And a lot of his research and interest lie outside of fasting; he's a longevity researcher not just a fasting one. --And Longo is selling books and products too.-- As far as I can tell, to avoid a conflict, he donates any royalties from his books to the organization that sells his food products and other charities. He has no direct connection to that organization and makes no money from it either. The fact, it seems to me, is dietary and nutritional research and knowledge is about as well understood as the climate and has just as many charlatans with an ax to grind and a buck to be made involved in it, so we're left to tease out what little reliable information there is and act accordingly. I'm not trying to convert anyone to Longo or Taubes or anyone else. I recommended my friend with the Parkinson's diagnosis look into the keto diet just a couple of days ago because there's evidence it works. I'd try to get my schizophrenic son on it if I could but there's no way he'd stick to it. Admitting complete ignorance is very liberating; it's my foundational ethos. Might even be life extending. :)
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--Rabobank? A Dutch bank like that is in the news? For what?-- Rabo is very big out here in CA and elsewhere JiB, especially in agriculture and machinery.
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--when it rains it pours-- I was getting all ready for bad news. Congrats, KK. BTW, is that Rabobank you're referring to?
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Man I'm getting confused. I came over here to find Henry seemingly implying the plural of turkey is turkey, just after I read on Bing that some pommy poofter singer I've never heard of has declared himself non-binary so now his preferred pronouns are they/them. But since binary means two and he's not two shouldn't he be even more singular than before? So a flock of turkey is an it, but one dude is a they?
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--We are getting the early effects of Humberto. An angry sea...-- Be on the lookout for whales with golf balls in their blow holes.
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I see Ken Burns is set to do to country music what he's done to his other recent subjects; make a hash of them.
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Problem is oil is an international commodity so even if it's mainly foreign supplies that are crimped the price of all oil goes up.
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Wouldn't the world be a better place if Yemen disappeared tomorrow?
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--Whether Keto is completely sound or not, it was the one thing I tried that allowed me to lose weight, by eliminating the sweet craving. It is the only diet that got all my numbers in the normal range, statins sure didn't.-- Buckeye, That's a case of where you have one or two immediate needs and, if you don't listen to the FDA, it's fairly obvious what you need to do. They were using keto for high blood sugar before insulin was even available. But if a person does keto by eating bacon and eggs for breakfast, a bacon lettuce and low lectin tomato sammich on almond flour bread for lunch and bacon wrapped shrimp for dinner ever day for twenty years I'm not sure the long term effects would be so benign, especially if they didn't have any specific health concerns to begin with.
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--But I'll bet a million dollars your nutritionist will not say that, while she's telling you to eat "healthy grains." Which do NOT exist. There are less bad, but none are "healthy."-- Amom, This is the kind of absolutist statement that I question. You can't say "the studies about nutrition are problematic because there are so many variables and the studies are self serving or poorly constructed" or whatever the reason is and then turn around and say "but we absolutely know this diet is utterly flawed but this one is utterly correct." Valter Longo who is a well respected scientist with many reputable published papers under his belt disagrees. And he has studied the "blue zones" where people seem to live a long time and do so healthily and aren't obese and all have a high carb, low animal fat and low animal protein diet and eat a good bit of grain. And a lot of the animal fat and protein is in the form of fish. I can't dismiss his viewpoint because he seems to do what a lot of these guys don't, which is develop solid evidence for what he says. --Not to offend Ig, but many people I know are healthier for reading Steve Gundry's Plant Paradox.-- That only offends my sense of logic. Perhaps they had a poor diet before and now they are eating a healthy one. That doesn't mean the lack of lectins in their diet has anything to do with them being healthier. I never said his diet recommendations aren't healthy, only that his claim for why they are doesn't seem to have much if any evidence behind it. --Ig thinks he's selling snake oil.-- No,I think he's selling books. And those books don't seem to have much evidence behind them so we don't know if the books he is selling are right or wrong. --KK doesn't--he buys it, and is taking it pre -op.-- Does he? I thought he used to talk about eating lots of beans which are the most lectin filled things on earth apparently. Does he not eat nightshades either? Pretty sure he's talked about eating peppers and eggplant. Regardless, what does that indicate one way or the other if KK does buy it? He's one person on one particular course and we have no way of knowing if that was the only or even the best course; only that it helped him. And I'm glad it did, but that it did doesn't necessarily mean anything beyond KK. Your viewpoints seem inconsistent. You are rightly skeptical of some things, especially if they have no scientific evidence supporting them and yet strenuously endorse other things entirely on theory or anecdote. You endorse people saying the opposite of each other. Jason Fung has all sorts of nightshades and legumes in his diets and plenty of keto breads and pancakes etc. And he says to watch the meat intake because excess protein becomes...glucose. That's not exactly Gundry's viewpoint. I think there is sufficient evidence to say the FDA's food pyramid is less than optimal. I think there is sufficient evidence that processed foods, white sugar and white flour, other sweeteners etc are not healthful. Neither excessive carbs in the form of grains and fruit, including beer, or excessive protein are good for us because they both raise insulin levels. Beyond that I think it becomes much more muddled. And to even say, each person has to do what works for them is of limited value. The only criteria for what works for us is what we can observe in the short term about what happens to our body as we change to a new diet. That might tell us what works for us right now and if we have some acute issue like Steph or KK that is all that matters. But for people who don't have an immediate need, for all we know it might be setting them on a course for some cardiac, neurological or cancerous problem down the road even if their weight does drop. The reason I demand evidence is because assurances, assumptions and extrapolations without it is how we get food pyramids. So the people who want to replace the food pyramid with their own pet pyramid need to do a better job convincing me than telling me somebody else was wrong, but believe me because...I say so or I know a guy who did X and y happened.
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Gotta hit the sack.
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jim nj, Not to be alarmist but those might also be Parkinson's symptoms. Muscle rigidity and effected gait are two of its early symptoms.
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When Mel and narc get going I instantly break out not only my Batman decoder ring but also my Little Orphan Annie one. Seldom helps.
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